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____________________________________________ Saul Ostrow | Visual Arts & Technologies Environment Chair, Sculpture Voice: 216-421-7927 | [email protected] | http://www.cia.edu/ The Cleveland Institute of Art | 11141 East Boulevard, Cleveland, OH 44106 ________________________________________ From: Luc Delannoy [[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Heidegger and thingness sure, let's have some apple plie & ice cream, i know a great place in brooklyn. luc ----- Original Message ---- From: armando baeza <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:26:33 PM Subject: Re: Heidegger and thingness Any thing wrong,with reading him to find out what his meaning is on one particular thing ?He may like apple pie ,like as I do,with ice-cream. mando On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Luc Delannoy wrote: > reading and studying the works of a philosopher (any philosopher, or artist) is not subscribing to the contents of what you read, or study. i do subscribe to phenomenology and applied phenomenology (in psychology and education in particular). i find the encounter of hermeneutics with phenomenology fascinating (gadamer, ricoeur, derrida etc - they all approached art) i like some husserl, in particular the late husserl (genealogy) - and not this singular entity business of his. i am not sure we have been talking about ideology, we just approached lightly some philosophical concepts like essence,techne, thingness and the like. of course some ideologies take hostage various of these concepts. i admire m.h. as a philosopher - without having to subscribe to all his work nor his political and social views. yes, i like what he wrote about art and technology. but you know what, i also like some frege and russell, and there are not exactly phenomenologists; so i > guess i am in the picking and choosing business after all. > luc > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: armando baeza <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 2:46:15 PM > Subject: Re: Heidegger and thingness > > I will have to read Heidegger to clarify "thingness" in his meaning, for myself. > mando > > On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:12 AM, Chris Miller wrote: > >> There would seem to be three possible responses to an ideology: subscription, >> rejection, and selection (i.e. picking and choosing favorable elements). >> >> Regarding the one under discussion (call it German Idealism?) -- here's how >> our group seems to be sorting out: >> >> *subscription: (Saul, Luc) >> *rejection: (Cheerskep, Mando, Miller) >> *picking and choosing: William, Boris, Kate >> >> In response the query that began this thread, it's interesting that even Saul >> did not find M.H.'s discussion of thingness to be especially enlightening. >> (i.e. -- it's just Kantian discourse embedded in MH's phenomenology). >> >> I suppose there's no point in arguing matters of faith -- either you subscribe >> to Kantian discourse, or you don't -- but I do think that the middle ground is >> very problematic - since it's an essentialist program -- and if you're >> rejecting the essentials, you're rejecting the whole thing. >> >> And there have been some rather catastrophic consequences when branches of >> this discourse, Marxism and Fascism, were adopted by totalitarian regimes in >> the previous century. >> >> (regarding the dire consequences of German idealism in the artworld, I suppose >> that's just a matter of taste) >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Largest network of startups. Find new startup opportunities. Click here. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxPtu6gmO3e1k6Ar2WCK0ZiOF >> GMEO3BY8zHeCmgBqs662rSNcn3zby/
