Another totally ridiculous statement by Miller.  There is a value in trying to
interpret what a writer says without embellishment.  And then there is merit
in analysing what a writer says, perhaps adding commentary, correction,
propositions, etc.  Worringer did both, one at a time.  Miller can't tell the
difference and routinely reforms what writers say to suit his own bias.
wc


--- On Thu, 7/16/09, Chris Miller <[email protected]> wrote:

> From: Chris Miller <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Worringer and his predecessors
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 11:10 AM
> >" But when I realize that you're
> only trying to depreciate those who take him
> at face
> value, to make them out as dupes of the educational system
> and as fools who
> actually read and make art, I know your agenda.  If
> you had had an education
> you might have learned that it is more convincing to
> examine arguments on
> their
> merits, within the proper context, than it is to make up
> ignorant and foolish
> remarks about them, especially when you are pretending to
> reveal obvious
> flaws,
>  even when learned scholars over the past century have not
> mentioned them."
> ... WC
>
>
>
> I suppose this is the kind of discourse for which Cheerskep
> has coined the
> phrase "squabble-talk".
>
> But it does invite me to introduce a distinction which I
> consider very
> important:
>
> Education versus indoctrination.
>
> In his post of July 5 (copied below),  William was
> playing indoctrinator, as
> he presented Worringer's place in the currently
> peer-approved discourse of
> Modern Art. (or -- at least his version of it) -- and it
> reflected  no
> especially original or critical thought on his part. (i.e.,
> without the two
> sentences that follow the word "personally", and with a few
> foot-notes
> attached, it would be perfectly acceptable to the legions
> of docile high
> school editors who serve  Wikipedia
>
> Apparently it never occurred to William that Lee's and
> Lipps notions of
> "empathy" may well have encompassed  a response to
> geometry, and when I
> pointed out that Worringer himself raised this issue (
> regarding how ancient
> Egyptians may have responded to their pyramids) William had
> nothing to say.
> He probably had never thought about it (and he's not 
> going to start thinking
> about it now!)
>
> Indoctrination received --- indoctrination transmitted ---
> process complete.
>
> And now you can drink your Kool-Aid.
>
>  (Google "Jim Jones Massacre", Boris, to discover 
> Michael's invariably
> sarcastic reference)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >In his 1908 essay, Abstraction and Empathy, Worringer
> offers a further
> refinement of physchological approaches to aesthetics and
> art that tended to
> center on empathy alone. Whereas other philosophers, like
> Vernon Lee and
> Theodor Lipps, claimed that empathy was the projection of
> the ego into an
> artwork -- as in "losing oneself in the work" to enjoy, to
> be at one with its
> vicarious imitation of nature's vitality, Worringer added
> an opposing notion,
> abstraction, to account for the withdrawal of the ego from
> nature's
> incomprehensible complexity to the safe haven of regular,
> static, ideal
> geometry.  Worringer concluded that both approaches
> are fundamental to self
> affirmation and enable what he called "self privation",
> empathy being the
> projection of self (metaphorically and as-if the other) and
> abstraction being
> the escape from the "arbitrariness of organic existence" to
> ideal, permanent
> form (metaphorically, and as if the immutable and
> perfect).
>
> Worringer was not only contributing to the philosophy of
> aesthetics, he was
> also offering coherence to the fracturing art concepts of
> the 20c. He
> recognized that the rules of artistic imitation based on
> skill and faithful
> rendering of nature -- and the canonic Western tradition --
> were being
> strongly affected by a new psychologial expressiveness that
> led to a broad
> "naturalism" as well as by the influences of Oriental
> traditions and   even
> primitive traditions of geometric patterning and abstract
> symbols. thus
> Worringer was explaining the new style, the new
> contemporary scene.
>
> Worringer had enormous influence on the later developments
> in art and
> aesthetics.  The critical examination of much 20C art
> would be hobbled
> without
> his concepts.  There are analogous approaches in art
> criticism in the work of
> Camille Pagila, for example, who uses the terms Dionysian
> and Apollonian that
> correspond to empathy and abstraction, respectively.
>
> Today we might find problems with Worringer's mutually
> exclusive empathy and
> abstraction, however much they unite in his notion of
> self-privation. New
> neuroscience claims an entangled feedback looping for our
> thinking that makes
> polarities like Worringer's impossible, as Damasio does in
> conflating reason
> and feeling, or as Lakoff and Johnson do in conflating
> brain and mind.
>
> Further, whereas Worringer chose imitation and empathy as
> clearly fundamental
> to human nature, and beyond art he is less assertive about
> the impulse for
> abstraction, which in his hierarchy of mind, is a retreat
> from empathy, new
> neuroscience shows that people born blind, thus without any
> visual
> experience,
> can draw fundamentqal geometic patterns they "see".
> Research seems to confirm
> that our fundamental cognition is made up of such simple
> patterns -- but
> still
> patterns infused with empathy.
>
> At any rate, there is much to admire in Worringer's
> essay.  Personally, I
> think artists have not yet fully explored the aesthetic
> potentials of a fully
> integrated empathy-abstraction style that fuses the
> polarity and thus reveals
> the paradox of art.  It's only possible in

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