Is that "All that is real..." business said subjectively speaking? Or is that an objective truth?
I actually find art a wonderful way to challenge my subjectivity ( i.e my interpretation of my experiences); it's why I enjoy drawing the same scene repeatedly, or working from the same model. It's amazing the things one discovers. Cheers; Chris On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 10:43 PM, saul ostrow <[email protected]> wrote: > all that is real is your subjectivity - which you dare not test - or > question - because of you did so who you are would be unstable - this is > the appeal of art as the affirmation of that which is nothing varifiable > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 9:17 PM, ARMANDO BAEZA <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Describing significant form, to me is more difficult that creating > > what I > > would call significant form. > > Armando Baeza > > > > ________________________________ > > From: William Conger <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:57 PM > > Subject: Re: is list dead? > > > > I'm not upset > > by that. > > > > Read my essay. I argue that the word moral and its implications was > > dropped > > after the early modernists talked about formalist theory, art for > > art's sake, > > the significant form, etc. but their ideas were precisely the > > same as those > > embedded in the Beaux-Arts Style. In that way, the supposed > > break between > > Beaux-Arts and modernism was as much manufactured as it was > > true, maybe more > > manufactured. The art of the two types looks different but > > was it truly > > different in fundamental theory? Words like moral became taboo > > in serious art > > talk. But to say the same thing with other words, like > > 'significant form' was > > accepted, and still is. > > wc > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message > > ---- > > From: Slostrow2 <[email protected]> > > To: "[email protected]" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sun, July 29, 2012 7:46:44 PM > > Subject: > > Re: is list dead? > > > > Bur levy Strauss would tell us that this is merely a > > fetishisation of self > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Please excuse grammar and spelling > > errors > > Expect everything - fear nothing - or did I get that backwards > > Saul > > ostrow > > 646 528 8537 > > > > On Jul 29, 2012, at 8:29 PM, William Conger > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > For the practitioners of the Style, form > > could be moral when it idealized > > > nature, especially the human form. Religion > > refers to theological dogma and > > > practice of worship according to prescribed > > rites. I think the Style was > > > 'spiritual' intended > > > > > > wc > > > > > > ----- Original > > Message ---- > > > From: joseph berg <[email protected]> > > > To: > > [email protected] > > > Sent: Sun, July 29, 2012 3:32:12 AM > > > Subject: > > Re: is list dead? > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:52 AM, William Conger > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > >> ...I've written about this topic: Can Art > > Be Moral Again? (published on > > >> website www.neotericart.com)... > > > > > > > > > > > > Once > > upon a time, wasn't religion the source of morals?: > > > > > > - Cut off from the > > worship of the divine, leisure becomes laziness and work > > > inhuman. > > > > > > John > > Piper > > > > > > > -- > S a u l O s t r o w > *Critical Voices* > 21STREETPROJECTS > 162 West 21 Street > NYC, NY 10011
