>From my experience,the laws of nature are unreachable 
in art. Our only
alternative is to attempt it or enjoy our
freedom to express it as we wish in
our individual manner.

Armando Baeza

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 From:
joseph berg <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Monday,
July 30, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: is list dead?
 
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at
4:14 AM, Michael Brady
<[email protected]>wrote:

> ...I believe that
everything humans do falls under the scope of moral
> evaluation
> and
judgment. Art is one of those things...


I believe art is at its best when it
serves as an expression of values.



> And in all human endeavors, some
>
practitioners study and define what they take to be the core or important
>
elements of that practice or discipline, and they or others declare some
>
ways
> of doing it or results to be preferable to other ways or results. I am
> confident that this is not a controversial insight. Every discipline,
>
craft,
> practice, area, etc. has guidelines and regulations, and they have
>
regimens of
> training that tell students the best and least effective ways of
doing
> things.
> Some disciplines, like medicine, are so important and may
have such dire
> consequences that some of their rules and guidelines are
enforced by law.
> Other disciplines, like art, are not so dangerous and their
guidelines come
> down to various forms of consensus and social agreement.
>
>
To return to my motto: Art is a realm of human activity. All realms of
> human
> activity are circumscribed in various degrees by rules, covenants, canons,
>
etc., that people have made and that regulate and give a degree of
> coherence
> to them. To the extent that these regulations pronounce 'good' and 'bad'
>
choices to make when practicing that art form, they are "moral" guidelines,
>
and artists follow or ignore those "moral" regulations...


- ...Cultural
constraints condition and limit our choices, shaping our
characters with their
imperatives. (Jeane J. Kirkpatrick)


But I disagree when you go on to say,
"Nature, of course, in unconcerned
about human "moral" rules about artistic
matters. Thus, it "de-moralizes"
art."

Morality cannot go against the laws of
nature:
- The Laws of Nature are just, but terrible.  There is no weak mercy
in
them. Cause and consequence are inseparable and inevitable. The elements
have no forbearance. The fire burns, the water drowns, the air consumes,
the
earth buries. And perhaps it would be well for our race if the
punishment of
crimes against the Laws of Man were as inevitable as the
punishment of crimes
against the Laws of Nature -- were Man as unerring in
his judgments as Nature.
(Henry Wadsworth Longfellow)

What nature teaches us is that everything has
limits and that transgressing
those limits has consequences.

Couldn't
morality be defined as not transgressing limits set by society?

Man needs to
acknowledge and accept first the limits of nature and then the
limits of
society:
- The object of education is not merely to draw out the powers of the
individual mind: it is rather its right object to draw all minds to a
proper
adjustment to the physical and social world in which they are to
have their
life and their development: to enlighten, strengthen and make
fit. (Woodrow
Wilson)
- There is but one law for all, namely that law which governs all
law...the
law of nature and of nations. (Edmund Burke)




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