I assume the latter. I feel kind of bad for wind energy in some of the hoops they have to jump through. We have one customer who gets a check not to publicly complain about them. The hoops they have to jump through would irritate me if I were in their shoes.
On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 11:25 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: > NDA....like in case you bump into secret wind turbine information? > Or more like, they'll make some remedy for you to make you whole, but > don't want every other swingin dick on the block to come around looking for > the same deal after the fact so keep your fool mouth shut. > > > On 12/21/2018 11:45 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > So, I'm going to have to sign an NDA, so I assume that means I can't reach > out publicly for advice anymore, never been under NDA on a serious matter > before. Prior to signing, is this a matter we should grab the attorney to > represent us or just to have review paperwork? So far it's very amicable, > confirmed that our licensed link is toast in 7 months. I think I have a > very viable solution for everyone (there is another parallel link affected > that's someone else's that terminates near us on both sides) I've heard the > best legal term (make whole) and a risky term (cost sharing) so..... > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 9:55 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> I think you'll find the construction company to be flexible if you reach >> out to them early enough. You have to go directly to the company building >> the farm. >> >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:40 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >>> Yeah, there is usually an internal person or maybe an external >>> consultant working those kinds of planning issues. You want to find out >>> who that is and make contact with that person. Not the people they send to >>> public meetings to deal with the anti windfarm elements of the community, >>> who will likely be marketing types and lawyers. >>> >>> >>> >>> If they have signed leases with landowners and planned the routes for >>> the power network, they have a certain amount of flexibility in placing the >>> turbines. Moving one of them 100 feet left or right but still on the same >>> piece of land where have a lease may not be that difficult at the paper >>> stage. Finding a different parcel of land to lease or deleting the turbine >>> entirely, unlikely. >>> >>> >>> >>> Some people will fight them no matter what and claim their livestock are >>> falling over dead and their children are sick due to the turbines. >>> Cropdusters will be unhappy. And if I had built my dream home on a little >>> “farmette” to retire on, I wouldn’t want one of those behemoths 1400 feet >>> away, flashing red all night, and sounding like a washing machine when I’m >>> downwind of it. But there’s not much they can do about a lot of that. >>> When there is something they can reasonably do to mollify the citizenry, >>> like stop certain turbines at certain times of day because someone >>> complained about “shadow flicker”, I have seen them do it. So trying not >>> to block microwave links between towers is something they may be willing >>> to do. In fact, even if you do nothing, they may hire someone to look at >>> the FCC database and find any licensed paths that go through the proposed >>> windfarm, and choose their sites accordingly. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:50 PM >>> >>> >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >>> >>> >>> >>> I know I did some consulting to map out the paths where there were >>> licensed microwave links years ago. They do consider this in their >>> placement of the turbines. I am not sure of their obligation to do so. This >>> may have been a local zoning requirement more than anything. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank You, >>> >>> Brian Webster >>> >>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. >>> >>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>> >>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On >>> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:08 AM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >>> >>> >>> >>> The FCC license protects against RF interference, not trees or highrise >>> buildings or wind turbines. And there’s nothing Commsearch can do. >>> >>> >>> >>> You are lucky that it’s an FCC licensed path, and I would absolutely >>> approach them now in the planning phase. When the windfarm Mike references >>> was built in our area, they voluntarily moved one of the turbines to get it >>> out of the path of a licensed backhaul. They probably won’t do this for an >>> unlicensed path or a subscriber link. Also the phase where they are most >>> likely to make such an accommodation is during the planning and approval >>> phase. Least impact on them at that point, and they are motivated to >>> resolve community resistance to their project where possible. I don’t >>> think they are required to accommodate you, so I wouldn’t go charging in >>> guns blazing, be nice and hope they are nice back. >>> >>> >>> >>> The towers obviously are more of a problem than the blades, but the >>> blades do affect the RF when they pass through the beam, especially if >>> there are multiple turbines in the path. I figure a couple dB blip per >>> turbine but it’s hard to predict scientifically. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:43 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >>> >>> >>> >>> Are you wanting Commscope to go put some C4 on that turbine? :-p >>> >>> >>> Ken, what did you do when they built that Shabonna\Lee windfarm? I know >>> you had some links down there. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image: >>> Image removed by sender.] >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image: >>> Image removed by sender.] >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image: >>> Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[image: >>> Image removed by sender.] >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[image: >>> Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> [image: Image removed by sender.] >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: Image removed by >>> sender.] >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 13, 2018 9:39:26 AM >>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Windfarm in licensed path >>> >>> We have a windfarm going up that was , one of the turbines is dead in >>> the middle of an 11ghz link path. Who do we reach out to for this. We have >>> commsearch protection service, I reached out to them, but im not sure thats >>> in the protection scope. Im leery of reaching out to the windfarm directly, >>> as they may lawyer up before we get our recourse figured out. As I >>> understand it they are in the impact study phase still, so i assume that >>> means our window of opportunity closes when that is done. >>> >>> Any advice? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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