When my brother drove tractor trailers, he worked for a waste management
company for awhile. He attested to me first hand of driving trailers
full of recyclable plastic bottles to the landfill. I have no intel on
the underlying reasons or economics, just saying that apparently it made
sense to someone to take all those separated bottles and dump them.
Just wondering: If we don't want that carbon in the air, does it not
make sense to bury it? Honest question here.
On 3/23/2019 10:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Well yeah, it never made sense to me that we would ship our trash all
the way to China to be recycled. I agree with Bill, we need to do this
ourselves. Although there are some pretty nice automated sorting
facilities in this country, so it’s not like we don’t know HOW to do
it. I think the biggest one is in Brooklyn, NY and is operated by
Sims Municipal Recycling. I think Sims also has one of the contracts
in Chicago and somehow doesn’t have nearly the problems with
“contamination” that the other contractor does. Not that Chicago is a
model for recycling. But I guess it’s hard to scold people for not
recycling when they read that it all goes to the landfill anyway.
One thing I don’t understand – where does China get the raw materials
for all the cardboard packaging they use to ship all their
manufactured goods all over the world? Are they cutting down
forests? Or they take in trash from other countries that sort it better?
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:12 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back
Transportation is expensive no matter what the sector. That cost alone
can make it a difficult to economically break even.
On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:37 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
There are some claims that “contamination” is falsely claimed both
by China and by waste haulers contracted by cities, for whom it is
more profitable to haul it to the landfill. The BGA (Better
Government Association) in Chicago did a report that found Waste
Management had a far higher rate of rejecting recyclables than the
other contracted private company or municipal crews. Also
“contamination” brings a mental image of cans and pizza boxes
covered with food, while apparently the biggest type of
“contamination” is plastic bags like from grocery stores because
they get caught in the sorting machinery. I used to throw those
out in the trash until I realized most grocery stores have bins to
recycle them. At least they claim to recycle them. And a factoid
from the Internet, apparently we are supposed to leave the caps on
pop/soda bottles when putting them in the recycling bin.
*From:* AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:07 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back
Of course it's more complicated than that. I've been hearing and
reading about this for the better part of a year now. One of the
issues is that a lot of the recyclable material was considered too
dirty. It hadn't been cleaned enough to recycle.
At some point, we're going to have to learn how to do this
ourselves. The landfills are all filling up.
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On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 4:57 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-great-american-cardboard-comeback/ar-BBV5qRT
China won’t take our recyclables, so the price of used
cardboard has dropped enough this cardboard manufacturing
plant can reopen. Which is good, not just for the jobs, but
I’m tired of reading how we put out recycling in the blue bins
and then they haul it to the dump or burn it because nobody
wants it. Even aluminum cans. How can it not pay to melt
down aluminum cans?
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