According to some non purists I have seen, thrd world countries account for huge portion. Discards are wanted into creeks, then rivers, then oceans.
They are trying to buy the plastic back. It doesn't seem like a sustainable idea to me. On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 9:46 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > > And in 10 years when the carpet gets ripped up & replaced, where do they > send that? To the landfill I expect. > > -- > bp > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com > > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 7:25 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Recycled PET (#1 in recycling symbol) from soda and ketchup bottles is >> actually a premium plastic for making things like carpet. >> >> >> >> https://www.mohawkflooring.com/carpet/brand/everstrand >> >> >> >> Bottle caps are polypropylene (#5) which is used to make things that need >> to be sturdy. >> >> >> >> Does making it into carpet or park benches put carbon in the air? I >> assume it is better than burying the old plastic and then making new >> plastic from petroleum. >> >> >> >> I also wonder how all this plastic is making its way into the ocean. >> Probably not from landfills. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:00 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back >> >> >> >> When my brother drove tractor trailers, he worked for a waste management >> company for awhile. He attested to me first hand of driving trailers full >> of recyclable plastic bottles to the landfill. I have no intel on the >> underlying reasons or economics, just saying that apparently it made sense >> to someone to take all those separated bottles and dump them. >> >> Just wondering: If we don't want that carbon in the air, does it not >> make sense to bury it? Honest question here. >> >> On 3/23/2019 10:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> Well yeah, it never made sense to me that we would ship our trash all the >> way to China to be recycled. I agree with Bill, we need to do this >> ourselves. Although there are some pretty nice automated sorting >> facilities in this country, so it’s not like we don’t know HOW to do it. I >> think the biggest one is in Brooklyn, NY and is operated by Sims Municipal >> Recycling. I think Sims also has one of the contracts in Chicago and >> somehow doesn’t have nearly the problems with “contamination” that the >> other contractor does. Not that Chicago is a model for recycling. But I >> guess it’s hard to scold people for not recycling when they read that it >> all goes to the landfill anyway. >> >> >> >> One thing I don’t understand – where does China get the raw materials for >> all the cardboard packaging they use to ship all their manufactured goods >> all over the world? Are they cutting down forests? Or they take in trash >> from other countries that sort it better? >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On >> Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:12 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >> <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back >> >> >> >> Transportation is expensive no matter what the sector. That cost alone >> can make it a difficult to economically break even. >> >> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:37 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> There are some claims that “contamination” is falsely claimed both by >> China and by waste haulers contracted by cities, for whom it is more >> profitable to haul it to the landfill. The BGA (Better Government >> Association) in Chicago did a report that found Waste Management had a far >> higher rate of rejecting recyclables than the other contracted private >> company or municipal crews. Also “contamination” brings a mental image of >> cans and pizza boxes covered with food, while apparently the biggest type >> of “contamination” is plastic bags like from grocery stores because they >> get caught in the sorting machinery. I used to throw those out in the >> trash until I realized most grocery stores have bins to recycle them. At >> least they claim to recycle them. And a factoid from the Internet, >> apparently we are supposed to leave the caps on pop/soda bottles when >> putting them in the recycling bin. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:07 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back >> >> >> >> Of course it's more complicated than that. I've been hearing and reading >> about this for the better part of a year now. One of the issues is that a >> lot of the recyclable material was considered too dirty. It hadn't been >> cleaned enough to recycle. >> >> >> >> At some point, we're going to have to learn how to do this ourselves. The >> landfills are all filling up. >> >> >> -- >> >> bp >> >> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 4:57 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-great-american-cardboard-comeback/ar-BBV5qRT >> >> >> >> China won’t take our recyclables, so the price of used cardboard has >> dropped enough this cardboard manufacturing plant can reopen. Which is >> good, not just for the jobs, but I’m tired of reading how we put out >> recycling in the blue bins and then they haul it to the dump or burn it >> because nobody wants it. Even aluminum cans. 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