And in 10 years when the carpet gets ripped up & replaced, where do they
send that? To the landfill I expect.
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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 7:25 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
> Recycled PET (#1 in recycling symbol) from soda and ketchup bottles is
> actually a premium plastic for making things like carpet.
>
>
>
> https://www.mohawkflooring.com/carpet/brand/everstrand
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>
>
> Bottle caps are polypropylene (#5) which is used to make things that need
> to be sturdy.
>
>
>
> Does making it into carpet or park benches put carbon in the air? I
> assume it is better than burying the old plastic and then making new
> plastic from petroleum.
>
>
>
> I also wonder how all this plastic is making its way into the ocean.
> Probably not from landfills.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:00 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back
>
>
>
> When my brother drove tractor trailers, he worked for a waste management
> company for awhile. He attested to me first hand of driving trailers full
> of recyclable plastic bottles to the landfill. I have no intel on the
> underlying reasons or economics, just saying that apparently it made sense
> to someone to take all those separated bottles and dump them.
>
> Just wondering: If we don't want that carbon in the air, does it not make
> sense to bury it? Honest question here.
>
> On 3/23/2019 10:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well yeah, it never made sense to me that we would ship our trash all the
> way to China to be recycled. I agree with Bill, we need to do this
> ourselves. Although there are some pretty nice automated sorting
> facilities in this country, so it’s not like we don’t know HOW to do it. I
> think the biggest one is in Brooklyn, NY and is operated by Sims Municipal
> Recycling. I think Sims also has one of the contracts in Chicago and
> somehow doesn’t have nearly the problems with “contamination” that the
> other contractor does. Not that Chicago is a model for recycling. But I
> guess it’s hard to scold people for not recycling when they read that it
> all goes to the landfill anyway.
>
>
>
> One thing I don’t understand – where does China get the raw materials for
> all the cardboard packaging they use to ship all their manufactured goods
> all over the world? Are they cutting down forests? Or they take in trash
> from other countries that sort it better?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf
> Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:12 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back
>
>
>
> Transportation is expensive no matter what the sector. That cost alone can
> make it a difficult to economically break even.
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:37 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> There are some claims that “contamination” is falsely claimed both by
> China and by waste haulers contracted by cities, for whom it is more
> profitable to haul it to the landfill. The BGA (Better Government
> Association) in Chicago did a report that found Waste Management had a far
> higher rate of rejecting recyclables than the other contracted private
> company or municipal crews. Also “contamination” brings a mental image of
> cans and pizza boxes covered with food, while apparently the biggest type
> of “contamination” is plastic bags like from grocery stores because they
> get caught in the sorting machinery. I used to throw those out in the
> trash until I realized most grocery stores have bins to recycle them. At
> least they claim to recycle them. And a factoid from the Internet,
> apparently we are supposed to leave the caps on pop/soda bottles when
> putting them in the recycling bin.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back
>
>
>
> Of course it's more complicated than that. I've been hearing and reading
> about this for the better part of a year now. One of the issues is that a
> lot of the recyclable material was considered too dirty. It hadn't been
> cleaned enough to recycle.
>
>
>
> At some point, we're going to have to learn how to do this ourselves. The
> landfills are all filling up.
>
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> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
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>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 4:57 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-great-american-cardboard-comeback/ar-BBV5qRT
>
>
>
> China won’t take our recyclables, so the price of used cardboard has
> dropped enough this cardboard manufacturing plant can reopen. Which is
> good, not just for the jobs, but I’m tired of reading how we put out
> recycling in the blue bins and then they haul it to the dump or burn it
> because nobody wants it. Even aluminum cans. How can it not pay to melt
> down aluminum cans?
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