I wonder if they had a flame at the top of those big rotating rakes that would melt off the plastic bags that get stuck if it would help. Of course you'd have to capture the fumes, but at least it would be faster than a human pulling the crap out.
On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 12:52 PM Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> wrote: > According to some non purists I have seen, thrd world countries account > for huge portion. Discards are wanted into creeks, then rivers, then > oceans. > > They are trying to buy the plastic back. It doesn't seem like a > sustainable idea to me. > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 9:46 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> And in 10 years when the carpet gets ripped up & replaced, where do they >> send that? To the landfill I expect. >> >> -- >> bp >> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 7:25 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Recycled PET (#1 in recycling symbol) from soda and ketchup bottles is >>> actually a premium plastic for making things like carpet. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.mohawkflooring.com/carpet/brand/everstrand >>> >>> >>> >>> Bottle caps are polypropylene (#5) which is used to make things that >>> need to be sturdy. >>> >>> >>> >>> Does making it into carpet or park benches put carbon in the air? I >>> assume it is better than burying the old plastic and then making new >>> plastic from petroleum. >>> >>> >>> >>> I also wonder how all this plastic is making its way into the ocean. >>> Probably not from landfills. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:00 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back >>> >>> >>> >>> When my brother drove tractor trailers, he worked for a waste management >>> company for awhile. He attested to me first hand of driving trailers full >>> of recyclable plastic bottles to the landfill. I have no intel on the >>> underlying reasons or economics, just saying that apparently it made sense >>> to someone to take all those separated bottles and dump them. >>> >>> Just wondering: If we don't want that carbon in the air, does it not >>> make sense to bury it? Honest question here. >>> >>> On 3/23/2019 10:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Well yeah, it never made sense to me that we would ship our trash all >>> the way to China to be recycled. I agree with Bill, we need to do this >>> ourselves. Although there are some pretty nice automated sorting >>> facilities in this country, so it’s not like we don’t know HOW to do it. I >>> think the biggest one is in Brooklyn, NY and is operated by Sims Municipal >>> Recycling. I think Sims also has one of the contracts in Chicago and >>> somehow doesn’t have nearly the problems with “contamination” that the >>> other contractor does. Not that Chicago is a model for recycling. But I >>> guess it’s hard to scold people for not recycling when they read that it >>> all goes to the landfill anyway. >>> >>> >>> >>> One thing I don’t understand – where does China get the raw materials >>> for all the cardboard packaging they use to ship all their manufactured >>> goods all over the world? Are they cutting down forests? Or they take in >>> trash from other countries that sort it better? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On >>> Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:12 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back >>> >>> >>> >>> Transportation is expensive no matter what the sector. That cost alone >>> can make it a difficult to economically break even. >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:37 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> There are some claims that “contamination” is falsely claimed both by >>> China and by waste haulers contracted by cities, for whom it is more >>> profitable to haul it to the landfill. The BGA (Better Government >>> Association) in Chicago did a report that found Waste Management had a far >>> higher rate of rejecting recyclables than the other contracted private >>> company or municipal crews. Also “contamination” brings a mental image of >>> cans and pizza boxes covered with food, while apparently the biggest type >>> of “contamination” is plastic bags like from grocery stores because they >>> get caught in the sorting machinery. I used to throw those out in the >>> trash until I realized most grocery stores have bins to recycle them. At >>> least they claim to recycle them. And a factoid from the Internet, >>> apparently we are supposed to leave the caps on pop/soda bottles when >>> putting them in the recycling bin. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:07 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - cardboard manufacturing jobs come back >>> >>> >>> >>> Of course it's more complicated than that. I've been hearing and reading >>> about this for the better part of a year now. One of the issues is that a >>> lot of the recyclable material was considered too dirty. It hadn't been >>> cleaned enough to recycle. >>> >>> >>> >>> At some point, we're going to have to learn how to do this ourselves. >>> The landfills are all filling up. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> bp >>> >>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 4:57 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-great-american-cardboard-comeback/ar-BBV5qRT >>> >>> >>> >>> China won’t take our recyclables, so the price of used cardboard has >>> dropped enough this cardboard manufacturing plant can reopen. Which is >>> good, not just for the jobs, but I’m tired of reading how we put out >>> recycling in the blue bins and then they haul it to the dump or burn it >>> because nobody wants it. Even aluminum cans. 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