BMU rebuild caused massive phantom usage and kicked non overage customers
into slow when triggered state. Its happened before enough times that
customers are testy. Got the usage cleared before billing ran, thank
jeebus, but the slow when triggered states were still present. Boils down
to poor planning on my part at the end of the day, with it being a specific
risk I inquired about, I should have known to disable the notification. As
a side, if we were a dishonest company, this could have been a great
revenue generator, customers are still calling in wanting to upgrade
because their usage went up according to the notification email.
We are getting it all squared away here in a few minutes though, Ill be
back to fanboy status when I get my site mikrotiks turned into BMUs as long
as im still employed through the whole project. This all originated from a
need to move where NAT took place on the network and save 20 grand on
buying more IP space, this is my penance for being cheap.

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:19 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> What broke so bad in V19?
>
> On Dec 16, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Weve had one in play because they dont have any powercode BMUs anymore, we
> outran the smaller ones capacity. It only did the queues and the redirect.
> It was the testing on moving them out to sites that pushed this whole
> issue. We are on V19 now, so the world should be gravy. The migration was
> pretty much a disaster, more than pretty much, we will probably shed a few
> customers over it, but thats partially on me. The last major migration, I
> built up a demo server imported the DB did process testing on a lab
> network, all that, over the course of like a month. This I pushed out about
> 16 hours after the decision to migrate was made, bug tested on the fly and
> got bit. I was pretty confident I was fired when I got in this morning, but
> I wasnt so we are working through the few remaining bugs and letting
> bygones be bygones, maybe the boss just doesnt have the heart to can me
> right before christmas, who knows.
>
> Out of curiosity, Josh, what are you doing with your tiks, are they site
> routers? We currently have pretty vanilla setup on our mikrotiks with two
> headend BMUs and NAT handled at each of our upstream edge routers. Each POP
> has a LAN bridge defined for customer traffic with a DHCP relay to old BMUs
> that handle the DHCP and the monitoring.  OSPF for site to site routing. A
> default deny input policy with exceptions for certain things and an ACL.
> some do have multiple LAN bridges if we have a stub site that doesnt have a
> router at it backhauled in.
>
> The only thing aside from moving Queues and whatnot that we want to add at
> the sites is the NAT to eliminate the BGP limitations it presents when
> doing it on the border routers. We dont even think we will do the DHCP on
> these, will just stick to the relay.
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 9:29 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I didn't even think you could use v18 with Mikrotik.  Definitely not
>> recommended.  I've been on the latest latest with Mikrotik and it works
>> well.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 10:22 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When I was a very young man, my uncle's power went out. This, of course
>>> caused his sump pump to fail. As I was helping him lug out his destroyed
>>> furniture and carpet from his beautiful finished basement, he would just
>>> repeat, "if you have a guy down, you might as well kick him" ...ha. I
>>> understand what uncle Moe meant. He was right.
>>> Anyhow, turns out v18 did have some fatal issues with mikrotik. Went to
>>> v19 last night, good times. I would venture a guess that new customers
>>> could onboard gracefully, lots of better goodness in 19.... new customers.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019, 10:43 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Same as Kurt.  Probes work wonderfully.  Customer radios, tower APs,
>>>> power monitors, all of it.
>>>>
>>>> I talked to Ubnt about that at Vegas and a couple times since then.
>>>> Tony responds to me and I feel like the devs ignore him just as much as us.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 9:51 AM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> probes been working fine for us in Powercode, the only probe problem i
>>>>> have is AF5XHD's oid's are screwed up right now, but thats not a Powercode
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 7:38 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish billing\oss systems would stop trying to be everything to
>>>>>> everybody.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 12, 2019 3:34:13 PM
>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] powercode and mikrotik BMUs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Powercode has become quite a joke. Half our probes havent worked for
>>>>>> months and they dont even respond to the ticket. We had to spin up 
>>>>>> Librenms
>>>>>> just to get monitoring data
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trying to integrate mikrotik BMUs and having issues, they have zero
>>>>>> legitimate documentation and when you ask whats supposed to be
>>>>>> happening they tell you to seek out a consultant and that the info may be
>>>>>> proprietary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thats all bad enough, but i figure ill do some packet sniffing to
>>>>>> find out what the communication is between the billing server and the
>>>>>> mikrotik, maybe find out I misconfigured something, come to find out the
>>>>>> nitwits are sending out the authentication in PLAIN TEXT. They dont even
>>>>>> have a disclaimer when you add one of these. but christ, if youre 
>>>>>> operating
>>>>>> an off network BMU, your infrastructure credentials are getting tossed 
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> the ether like its nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish simon hadnt left
>>>>>>
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