Mike - What is pricing like on the routers / management? Have you compared the router performance to something like the 844E?
On Friday, January 24, 2020, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > The road we're going down is likely Comtrend routers with a Finepoint ACS. > > The Calix system is just a fork of an earlier Finepoint product. > > TR-069 and TR-143 manage most of the fancy features people that love Calix > love to boast about. > > The advantage of something like this is that there is no vendor lock-in. > One dashboard to support any device in the field, though the capabilities > of that management would depend on what the device manufacturer has decided > to implement. > > There are standards such as IEEE 1905 and the WiFi Alliance's Easy Mesh > that intelligently handle cross-vendor meshing, so nothing special about > the Calix meshing either. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Tushar Patel" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Friday, January 24, 2020 8:32:59 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest > > And the Alternatives are? > > > > Tushar > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2020 8:31 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest > > > > There's no way Calix will get a dime from me. Everything is so expensive > compared to alternatives. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Thursday, January 23, 2020 12:29:01 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest > > What does Calix get you for on the management? I've been looking into > some options for managed routers, and I like the 844E, but Calix is pretty > proud of their management platform and it just doesn't make a lot of sense > for the number of managed routers we would be deploying right now. > > > > I'm wondering if anyone out there has any experience with Ubiquiti's Dream > Machine (unfortunate name, since Sony has been using it for a couple of > decades). At least Ubiquiti has a management platform that I don't need to > sacrifice my firstborn for. > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:47 AM Darin Steffl <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Guys, > > > > Start heavily pushing managed routers. We're all Calix with 804mesh and we > include the first router free in all our plans. > > > > Makes a huge difference. > > > > Google wifi is bad because there's no way to manually set the 5ghz channel > away from our radio. We have one customer we told this and that their > service will stink until they switch to our router or get a different mesh > system like orbi where you can still set the channel manually. > > > > We also do not support any speedtest except speedtest.net and selecting > one server we like. Also they have to be hardwired to the POE or we won't > respond to their tests. This eliminates much of the back and forth wifi > speedtests. > > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 11:34 AM Matt Hoppes <mattlists@ > rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > > I've had a slew of wifi related calls this week. Plug in, no issue. > WiFi -- interference - customer needs to get a dual band router, or it's > so bad it's just not fixable. > > I really just want to tell folks "WiFi is not supported on our service, > use at your own risk"... but of course, I can't do that. > > On 1/23/20 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Anybody know if the speedtest built into the Google and Nest WiFi mesh > > routers use the same M-Lab speedtest as the one a Google search sends > > you to? Their FAQ seems to indicate it is different and tests to > > Youtube servers. > > > > Apparently they have a feature where customers can set it up to > > periodically test their speed, and now I have customers calling in to > > report that their router says they aren’t getting the speed they’re > > paying for. We burn a bunch of time checking all the stats, including > > Preseem which shows no problems at all and actual traffic consistently > > to the speed plan they’re on. When asked what they were trying to do > > that was slow or when they ran the speedtest, they can’t cite any > > problems and the speedtests were done days ago and they are just > > reviewing the Google report. > > > > One guy said the Google report indicated his dish moved in a windstorm > > so we needed to come out and fix it. We have all sorts of graphs on his > > signal, SNR, etc. and his dish had not moved. We had however moved this > > tower onto Preseem for bandwidth management around that time. Everyone > > else is seeing better performance as a result, video streaming, gaming > > and web browsing now play nice together. I’m wondering if somehow the > > Google speedtest doesn’t like the Preseem algorithms (FQ-CODEL + AQM), > > or if their speedtest is just flakey. > > > > I don’t have a Google or Nest WiFi to test with. We have a whole list > > of other reasons why we hate them. Generally we tell customers not to > > buy them unless they are on a 3.65 GHz AP, but customers like to say > > screw you and then still expect you to be responsible for their bad > > decisions. (Like the customers who select the cheap plan despite being > > told it is too slow to watch streaming video, and then call to complain > > about streaming video.) > > > > Other reasons we hate them: > > > > - no dedicated backhaul channel, compared to (for example) Netgear Orbi > > > > - only 1 or 2 Ethernet ports > > > > - requires Google account and app > > > > - requires cloud > > > > - uses Google DNS by default > > > > - tell me they’re not doing data mining > > > > - puck and point terminology is goofy, reminiscent of Apple and their > > airports and time capsules > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >
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