I am dropping out of this one...unless you have had guns and shotguns pointed at you while erecting a tower in Pflugerville, stopped and held for three hours by Hereford police because the antennas of your Suburban look like drug dealer vehicle, stopped in Mississippi because a new Suburban with four Mexican Americans probably means drug shipment, you can't feel what we feel...there are a few more that happened to my crews and me from 1992-2004 when I closed my shop.
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 12:17 PM Brian Webster <[email protected]> wrote: > One thing that RT does very well, is economic reporting with that guy with > the bow tie. If you actually listens to his comments, he is hard hitting on > things the government does from a money standpoint and he doesn't play > party favorites or have a bias in that regard. He also digs deep in to > stuff most people ignore pretending those issues don't exist or that it > doesn't make any difference. If more people paid attention to, knew more > about things like the Federal Reserve and watched tax and monetary policy > and actions, they would have a lot different viewpoint of their favorite > political figures. > > I have yet to find a semi large media outlet that has the balls to report > on this level of detail from a financial point of view. So while I watch RT > knowing that it has a serious Russian slant and agenda, the money guy with > the bowtie seems to buck that trend from them. > > Max Keiser is his name and he has the Keiser report on the RT channel. > > Thank you, > Brian Webster > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Prince > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 1:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political > > I would only look at RT as a source of disinformation. I'm not sure > about Al Jazera. BBC is probably OK for a semi-European point of view, > but they seem to sensationalize things more than necessary. Fox with > some exceptions is almost a current admin mouthpiece. MSNBC is like the > anti-Fox, and CNN is a bit in between. I do pay attention to NPR, but I > think they tend to soft-pedal some things. > > I try to read between the lines as much as possible. > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 7/20/2020 10:48 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Problem is, there is no source of news you can trust. They all have a > > bias. > > Actually that applies to all people, they all have a bias. > > > > So, I read CNN and MSNBC then average it with FOX and compare with RT > > and Al Jazzera and then if that averages with BBC I will run with that. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Brian Webster > > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:32 AM > > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political > > > > Is that all they are doing? I do not know and do not expect anyone who > > is not directly involved in the activities to know at this stage, but > > it is very plausible that they are doing what is within their > > authority. Speculation by the media is not in itself reason either. > > Fact is people should do their due diligence and try to find out their > > own facts. Leaving that job up to a journalist and hanging your hat, > > opinion, and perception on a journalist these days probably not the > > wisest plan of action. But if a person wants to have an echo chamber > > opinion, they should go ahead and pick the media outlet that supports > > their point of view and stick with them. All media outlets these days > > have a major bias like we have never seen before. One side or the > > other, doesn't matter. Journalistic integrity is not what it used to > > be yet it would seem most of society is quick to question everything > > and everyone except the media. > > > > I know that if I lived in this area I would expect my constitutional > > rights to be protected as a citizen with freedom of movement in those > > neighborhoods and have access to my place of business or residence. A > > government letting a whole region of a city be taken over like what > > happened in Seattle is absurd. That was an invasion and take over > > plain and simple. Protests are one thing, occupying a place and > > keeping cops out and not having 100% agreement by all those in the > > occupied area is nothing short than an act of war and at minimum > > domestic terrorism. Plain and simple. If you do not believe that, > > seriously ask yourself if you would be ok if that happened to you on > > your own property or property you own for your place of business. That > > is a hostage/kidnap situation. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of your > > own happiness has been taken away. Blocking you from police, fire or > > EMS protection is shameful and illegal. Any politician that does not > > look at things that way is a puppet and hypocrite, especially when > > they have their own guards and security protecting them. At least in > > Portland the Feds starting not to allow that to happen in the Federal > > park or give them any more base of operations to try and accomplish > > that in that city. The word "occupy" is always thrown around by > > pacifists in a different context about our worldwide military presence > > than how they support it for these types of protests, it's not any > > different in definition on our own soil even if you do agree with the > > political position or cause. No other person should be able to take > > control like that and deny you the rights you are provided in this > > country. > > > > I guess my point is, don't let just one type of information intake > > form your outrage. Speak to others that may have different input and > > knowledge (but please do it in a civil way and with the intent to > > listen not just answer back). This Portland situation likely started > > from just clearing the park and then massive outrage flames were > > fanned based on people not realizing that they were on federal land in > > the first place and those officers were there to protect the property > > and enforce those laws. > > > > Executive orders......not a fan of them. They can easily be misused > > and usually a plan of last resort when there is political deadlock. An > > executive order that says protect federal property? I would expect > > that every federal officer knows that is their job. Heck every > > military person knows that is their job. The first general order of a > > sentry is "to take charge of this post and all government property in > > view". Was it an actual executive order issued or was it more of a > > memo with the president reminding people that is what needs to be > > done. Rioting and tearing down statues and defacing federal (and by > > default taxpayer) property seems very divisive at this point. Letting > > things devolve to more than that when the group has "Occupy" in their > > name and cause should be treated as such and not considered just a > > protest. Their intent is stated in the name. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett > > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 12:55 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political > > > > It doesn't all stem from clearing a park. That might not be what you're > > trying to say, but it could be read that way. > > > > The reason people are pointing a finger at the current administration is > > there was an executive order signed a few weeks ago ordering federal > > agencies to protect federal property, and that seems to be a direct > > response to the ongoing protests. They can bring in this variety of > > agencies because the Homeland Security Act of 2002 allows them to > > deputize other federal agents to assist: > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/us/politics/federal-agents-portland-arrests.html > > > > > > So the justification is protecting federal property, but is that all > > they're doing? No political motivations of any kind here? And while I'm > > sure that they have the legal authority for all of this, isn't it ok to > > ask whether they should? > > > > > > > > On 7/20/2020 12:04 PM, Brian Webster wrote: > >> In Portland part of the protest and occupy movement protesters were > >> trying to camp out in a FEDERAL PARK downtown. This attempt to occupy > >> federal property has not happened in other cities that I am aware of > >> and hence the different agencies involved. That Park director > >> requested more federal law enforcement help in getting the people off > >> the park grounds and not allow them to camp there. This was not a > >> case of the black helicopters coming and federal officers taking over > >> local law enforcement authority from the locals. If was Federal Law > >> Enforcement protecting federal property. In ALL law enforcement > >> agencies it is not unusual for plain clothes officers, detectives > >> etc. to have unmarked vehicles and use them when making arrests. This > >> is hardly unusual police activity if you look at the whole picture. > >> Local law enforcement does this type of thing all of the time. If > >> these federal officers had identified people who committed a crime on > >> federal property and then fled, they are within their law enforcement > >> powers to directly pursue and apprehend them even if the apprehension > >> is not on federal property. Local and state officers have the same > >> powers. It's not typically used but it's not unheard of for say a > >> police officer to pursue someone who they believe has committed a > >> felony and cross a state line. That officer is fully empowered to > >> make that arrest in the other state. It has happened many times and > >> the laws have been upheld to allow for this. There are also still the > >> power to effect a citizen's arrest as well. Nobody likes to do it > >> because it gets messy legally after the fact but that is still > >> allowed in this country. > >> > >> Before people get outraged at what the press is telling them is > >> happening, they should take a step back and gather their own facts > >> and knowledge and not be so quick to accept some "experts" > >> statements. You all know how bad a journalist can butcher up a > >> technical article on stuff we do and work with, what makes us think > >> they are any smarter in the field of law or medicine? > >> > >> > https://kval.com/news/local/police-remove-occupy-portland-campers-from-park?fbclid=IwAR0dSQqKXj_ikwqmSfvMvvPtOVoFVhGjwrH126Lhiomx3iZXlxTUGtT2S7E > >> > >> > >> "This morning, at request and at the lead of the US Federal > >> Protective Service, the Portland Police helped remove campers at > >> Shrunk Plaza, which is federal property across the street from > >> Chapman Square," Adams wrote. "The campers who were arrested - an > >> estimated 8 to 10 people - at Shrunk Plaza were detained by federal > >> police and cited under US federal law. Initial reports indicate > >> arrests were completed in a peaceful manner." > >> > >> > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Brian Webster > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof > >> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 11:41 AM > >> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political > >> > >> I don't think I'd like it if Obama had dispatched federal troops to > >> "Republican-led cities" claiming they are stupidly and conservatively > >> run. > >> > >> It also doesn't make me comfortable having Ken Cuccinelli driving > >> this. Not a guy who should have the power to send troops to your city > >> for political reasons, or any reason. Andy Taylor would make him > >> keep his one bullet in his shirt pocket. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Larry Smith > >> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 10:20 AM > >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political > >> > >> The US Border Patrol is a part of the Immigration and Naturalization > >> Service. > >> > >> -- > >> Larry Smith > >> [email protected] > >> > >> On Mon July 20 2020 10:14, Ken Hohhof wrote: > >>> I thought I read they admitted to being Customs & Border Patrol, at > >>> least in Portland. But yes other reports say that a force was > >>> assembled from various federal agencies so maybe also US Marshals. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> They have been using border patrol in questionable ways for awhile, > >>> like setting up roadblocks on highways hundreds of miles from any > >>> border. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Prince > >>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:56 AM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The National Guard is a state resource. I think he can request it, but > >>> I'm not sure he can command it. > >>> > >>> What I read, they were US Marshals, and other unidentified federal > >>> resources. > >>> > >>> bp > >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 7/20/2020 7:41 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Yeah, you gotta wonder what their orders were. > >>> > >>> Doesn’t a president normally activate the National Guard when extra > >>> help is needed? > >>> > >>> These guys were – what? Homeland Security? ICE? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Jaime Solorza > >>> > >>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:35 AM > >>> > >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - political > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hitler tactics by Bunker Boy...there , I said it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 2:49 PM <[email protected] > >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Not trying to break lent, but I am lacking understanding. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> What are the young white kids rioting about in Portland? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I am from Oregon, I remember protests in the 60s and 70s over Vietnam. > >>> I also remember a line of State Police walking through a park downtown > >>> and busting heads of those that did not clear out. Actually one of my > >>> first telco bosses had been one of those State Bull Cops. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Are young white kids just aching for a chance at anarchy? I don’t > >>> get it. > >>> > >>> Misbehaving while trying to wrap some kind of noble cause around you > >>> is pretty childish. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> AF mailing list > >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _____ > >> -- > >> AF mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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