I sure do not miss overseas flights that allowed smoking. That was awful and I used to smoke.
From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 4:16 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting Unfortunately attitudes sometimes take a generation to change. When I was young, people smoked everywhere, then they started having designated smoking areas, now smokers are pariahs. Used to be, if your dog pooped on someone else’s lawn, you left it for them to pick up. People used to chew tobacco and spit on the sidewalk. Buffets didn’t used to have sneezeguards. It took Seinfeld to make “double dipping” a taboo. Other things like seatbelts and child seats have gone from controversial to the societal norm. Probably motorcycle helmets are the exception, mostly because the only harm to others is they have to see your brains all over the road if you get in an accident. It’s interesting how worked up some people get at women breastfeeding in public, but asking that you wear a piece of cloth over your nose and mouth when indoors and within close proximity to others while there is a highly infectious respiratory disease circulating, well, that’s an intolerable infringement on your freedom. Even the stores with the “no shoes, no shirt, no service” policy, where was the outrage over that? What about restaurants that require men to wear a coat and tie? I’m not a big fan, but hey, your house, your rules. We seem to have lost the ability to respect others. Like covering your head or taking off your shoes when going into some houses of worship, that’s not a violation of your freedom, it’s respecting others. With the Covid pandemic, though, I don’t think we have time to wait a generation. Think of all the people who died waiting decades for cigarettes to become uncool. I will say, when I see the young kids in stores and other public places with masks, they seem to think it’s no different than wearing underwear or shoes. The next generation will probably wonder what all the fuss was about. I just hope the 50% of people who are saying they won’t get the vaccine when it comes out change their mind, I’ve heard numbers like 80% will probably need to get it, or we’ll be wearing masks forever. Even so, nobody knows if the shots will last 3 months or a year or longer. I’ve mostly never gotten flu shots, but we’ll probably need to get Covid shots every year forever. I don’t see it getting eradicated like smallpox. From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 4:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting Stay safe guys. We have my cousins husband die from it two weeks ago...33 years old . My wife wears N95 masks, gloves, face shields , goggles, full ppe garb at work everyday....she changes out in our back porch, including shoes...we spray them with Lysol...showers as soon as she comes inside home.. She has diabetes... I am about to hit 65 in November...taking no chances On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 3:37 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: We spent the last week at Lake Tahoe. Almost everywhere we went mask wearing was near 100%, until Friday, we went to a restaurant for lunch. They had set up booths outdoors with plexiglass dividers and plenty of distance. all the employees wore masks; they even provided a virtual menu via a QR Code that was on a card on the table (so far so good). When it came time to leave, my partner had to visit the restroom. She had to walk past the bar, where she said they were crowded, shoulder to shoulder, and zero masks. As Tony Fauci commented "Nothing good is going to come from that." I'm a 70-year-old guy, and while I think I'm in pretty good shape, I do not have ready access to any monoclonal antibodies, nor do I expect to in the next 6 months. bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 10/26/2020 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: We are on a curfew watch and stay at home order.... fucking selfish people out at bars and restaurants, home parties... My son was in New Zealand for three months... they had their shit together. On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 1:21 PM Matt Hoppes <[email protected]> wrote: Hold on. Reading your email I am getting conflicting information. You said that this seems like it’s a joke but then also that you’ve moved everyone who can remote. I disagree we have hospitals that are being overwhelmed right now look at El Paso. This is not going away after the election. On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: Its almost like nobody listened to the science, they clearly said that the natural progression of any novel virus is 3 annual seasons, with this one in particular being predominately in fall. this is season 2. We have treatments now that are effective, we quit killing people with ventilators the way were were in the beginning, healthcare isnt overwhelmed and theres no shortage of PPE. We only have 8 days until reporting on this changes to be less terrifying. Healthy people are being exposed, beating it, and innoculated, 3 months permanent, no one knows if this is different thatn 99 percent of other viruses. but of the well over 30 million people who were verified positive via testing and have since recovered, less than 20 globally have been reinfected, so odds are the vast majority are immune. Knowing what we know now, we have permanently moved all positions that can be remote to remote. techs dont go any further than the garage if they dont have to. Its techs choice to mask up and glove up, and as long as they choose to mask up and glove up, it will continue to be there choice. This is only applicable to interiors, theyre not required to mask outside, thats simply ignorant to require and its not "following the science" . ut the tech can choose to do that if they want. hell, if they want to wear a condom all day, its none of our concern. Our state positivity numbers are a joke, they simply base it on the percentage of total tests that are positive, its gotten colder, so people arent getting tested on a whim and we are back to primarily people with risk factors getting tested, the positivity rate went up as would be expected, but not as high as anticipated. If legitimate numbers start going up like hospitalizations (luckily I have ins in healthcare so i dont have to rely on media reports and politically charged public health departments, i am privy to internal census reports in healthcare) then we will look toward lower contact solutions, and no contact if our coverage area sees a legitimate surge. We dont do stupid stuff, like my contractor who was infected, we cancelled him for his quarantine period. We dont have in person company meetings. When we are together on project work we dont ride in the same vehicle, we just dont take any unnecessary risk, but we also dont let risk avoidance unnecessarily impact operations. I quit worrying about exposures with the wife working in a hospital, we are exposed constantly. (the low incidence of healthcare transmission is an oddity that after the politics of this thing are over I hope they do some deep diving into, its either going to boil down to we still dont actually know how its primarily transmitting or healthcare has such a high incidence of low viral load exposures that theyr innoculated without actually catching it, similar to how some allergies can be beaten through very low dose exposures to the allergen, will be interesting research when the politics of it are over) Every single "look at this country, look at that country" has turned out to be wrong on both sides of the argument, even WHO says lockdowns are the wrong solution now. Im still waiting for the fed money that went out to put a bunch of people in prison, even in this industry there will probably be some prison sentences handed out, the money came with requirements, it wasnt just free cash to grow a company. I can tell you there is something going around thats causing chest xrays to look exactly like covid damage, but no testing method is identifying the presence of covid or history of its presence, thats concerning, keep that in mind when relaxing policies. Its flu season, and given the disruption of interaction, this years flu vaccine is not going to very effective, its worth keeping covid policies in place regardless to not have staff out with a wild flu. And remember, the media frenzy is only just beginning its 8 days of hell, On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 3:40 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: We are so bad we were featured on ABC News.... people just want to fucking party... On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 1:25 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: Numbers here in Illinois are bad again today, all we can say is “at least we’re not Wisconsin”. I no longer roll my eyes at my daughter choosing to live in Maine, where “social distancing” was already the norm. (bike photo was actually from a ride a month ago up to the Quebec border) From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 12:17 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting On Thursday our techs had to stop wiring up panel and stuff because two electricians would wear masks...I wasn't there , I would have made them step outside ...our boss complained to water utilities because we are on a schedule with several people. The control room is small. On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:19 AM Matt Hoppes <[email protected]> wrote: We are doing normal installs for now. Watching our local county info in internal tracking systems I developed. So far we’re staying fairly isolated. If things severely spike this winter we will shut down installs again. At this point we are not masking nor requiring customers to wear masks - but we do ask customers to stay 10feet away from techs. This point will be driven home even more as we go into the winter months. On Oct 24, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: So 8 months in, numbers are getting worse not better, and despite what anybody says the end is not just around the corner. I remember at the beginning some WISPs were not sending techs inside customer homes, maybe pushing a cable through the wall and having the customer plug in the POE and router. Is anybody still declining to do inside work? Installs, repairs? Also, what about the FCC requested “pledge” not to disconnect customers for nonpayment during the pandemic. How many are still doing that, and assuming things won’t be back to “normal” until well into 2021 or even 2022, how long do you plan to continue? Are you taking any additional steps, like downgrading their speed or declining to do upgrades, or requiring proof of hardship? I know this wasn’t mandatory, but if we did it voluntarily, should there be a time limit? And if at that point they are 6-12 months behind, do we write that off rather than expecting they will catch up? It’s also interesting I see on cable company forums issues about mask refusal, both by techs and customers, and even of customers who have Covid but still want their Internet fixed. I hesitate to bring this up because it has become a political or “freedom” issue in a way that seatbelts or smoking or wearing a yellow vest at a grain elevator or even picking up after your dog isn’t, and I’m tired of being caught in the middle. But take the extreme case of a customer who recently tested positive or the tech gets there and strongly suspects someone in the house is contagious, is this really happening, and what is your response? 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