I remember my pediatrician smoking all the time when I was a kid. I even asked my mom about it one time. Even back then cigarettes were called coffin nails. I thought it was incongruous.
From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:30 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting My folks were in on EMS coming to illinois, my mom was one of the first instructors. I spent a lot of my time at the hospital in tow while she was doing classes. I remember one doctor always had a cigar in his mouth. Even when he was treating me in the ER for some of my many mishaps. On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 10:52 AM Jay Weekley <[email protected]> wrote: I worked for drug store that had an ashtray in front of the pharmacy counter where you could smoke while you waited for your prescriptions. Ken Hohhof wrote: > > And the people who would throw lit cigarettes out their car window. > Or drop them on the carpet at places like theaters and put them out > with their heel. Remember cars with “wing windows”? My dad thought > those were invented for pipe smokers. > > But there’s the seduction scene in The Graduate where Benjamin kisses > Mrs. Robinson and then she exhales the cigarette smoke. > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *[email protected] > *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 5:51 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting > > I sure do not miss overseas flights that allowed smoking. That was > awful and I used to smoke. > > *From:*Ken Hohhof > > *Sent:*Monday, October 26, 2020 4:16 PM > > *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting > > Unfortunately attitudes sometimes take a generation to change. When I > was young, people smoked everywhere, then they started having > designated smoking areas, now smokers are pariahs. Used to be, if > your dog pooped on someone else’s lawn, you left it for them to pick > up. People used to chew tobacco and spit on the sidewalk. Buffets > didn’t used to have sneezeguards. It took Seinfeld to make “double > dipping” a taboo. Other things like seatbelts and child seats have > gone from controversial to the societal norm. Probably motorcycle > helmets are the exception, mostly because the only harm to others is > they have to see your brains all over the road if you get in an accident. > > It’s interesting how worked up some people get at women breastfeeding > in public, but asking that you wear a piece of cloth over your nose > and mouth when indoors and within close proximity to others while > there is a highly infectious respiratory disease circulating, well, > that’s an intolerable infringement on your freedom. > > Even the stores with the “no shoes, no shirt, no service” policy, > where was the outrage over that? What about restaurants that require > men to wear a coat and tie? I’m not a big fan, but hey, your house, > your rules. > > We seem to have lost the ability to respect others. Like covering > your head or taking off your shoes when going into some houses of > worship, that’s not a violation of your freedom, it’s respecting others. > > With the Covid pandemic, though, I don’t think we have time to wait a > generation. Think of all the people who died waiting decades for > cigarettes to become uncool. I will say, when I see the young kids in > stores and other public places with masks, they seem to think it’s no > different than wearing underwear or shoes. The next generation will > probably wonder what all the fuss was about. I just hope the 50% of > people who are saying they won’t get the vaccine when it comes out > change their mind, I’ve heard numbers like 80% will probably need to > get it, or we’ll be wearing masks forever. Even so, nobody knows if > the shots will last 3 months or a year or longer. I’ve mostly never > gotten flu shots, but we’ll probably need to get Covid shots every > year forever. I don’t see it getting eradicated like smallpox. > > *From:*AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 4:45 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting > > Stay safe guys. We have my cousins husband die from it two weeks > ago...33 years old . > > My wife wears N95 masks, gloves, face shields , goggles, full ppe garb > at work everyday....she changes out in our back porch, including > shoes...we spray them with Lysol...showers as soon as she comes inside > home.. > > She has diabetes... > > I am about to hit 65 in November...taking no chances > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 3:37 PM Bill Prince <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > We spent the last week at Lake Tahoe. Almost everywhere we went > mask wearing was near 100%, until Friday, we went to a restaurant > for lunch. They had set up booths outdoors with plexiglass > dividers and plenty of distance. all the employees wore masks; > they even provided a virtual menu via a QR Code that was on a card > on the table (so far so good). > > When it came time to leave, my partner had to visit the restroom. > She had to walk past the bar, where she said they were crowded, > shoulder to shoulder, and zero masks. As Tony Fauci commented > "Nothing good is going to come from that." > > I'm a 70-year-old guy, and while I think I'm in pretty good shape, > I do not have ready access to any monoclonal antibodies, nor do I > expect to in the next 6 months. > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 10/26/2020 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > > We are on a curfew watch and stay at home order.... fucking > selfish people out at bars and restaurants, home parties... > > My son was in New Zealand for three months... they had their > shit together. > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 1:21 PM Matt Hoppes > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Hold on. Reading your email I am getting conflicting > information. You said that this seems like it’s a joke but > then also that you’ve moved everyone who can remote. > > I disagree we have hospitals that are being overwhelmed > right now look at El Paso. This is not going away after > the election. > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Steve Jones > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Its almost like nobody listened to the science, they > clearly said that the natural progression of any novel > virus is 3 annual seasons, with this one in particular > being predominately in fall. this is season 2. We have > treatments now that are effective, we quit killing > people with ventilators the way were were in the > beginning, healthcare isnt overwhelmed and theres no > shortage of PPE. We only have 8 days until reporting > on this changes to be less terrifying. > > Healthy people are being exposed, beating it, and > innoculated, 3 months permanent, no one knows if this > is different thatn 99 percent of other viruses. but of > the well over 30 million people who were verified > positive via testing and have since recovered, less > than 20 globally have been reinfected, so odds are the > vast majority are immune. > > Knowing what we know now, we have permanently moved > all positions that can be remote to remote. techs dont > go any further than the garage if they dont have to. > Its techs choice to mask up and glove up, and as long > as they choose to mask up and glove up, it will > continue to be there choice. This is only applicable > to interiors, theyre not required to mask outside, > thats simply ignorant to require and its not > "following the science" . ut the tech can choose to do > that if they want. hell, if they want to wear a condom > all day, its none of our concern. > > Our state positivity numbers are a joke, they simply > base it on the percentage of total tests that are > positive, its gotten colder, so people arent getting > tested on a whim and we are back to primarily people > with risk factors getting tested, the positivity rate > went up as would be expected, but not as high as > anticipated. > > If legitimate numbers start going up like > hospitalizations (luckily I have ins in healthcare so > i dont have to rely on media reports and politically > charged public health departments, i am privy to > internal census reports in healthcare) then we will > look toward lower contact solutions, and no contact if > our coverage area sees a legitimate surge. > > We dont do stupid stuff, like my contractor who was > infected, we cancelled him for his quarantine period. > We dont have in person company meetings. When we are > together on project work we dont ride in the same > vehicle, we just dont take any unnecessary risk, but > we also dont let risk avoidance unnecessarily impact > operations. > > I quit worrying about exposures with the wife working > in a hospital, we are exposed constantly. (the low > incidence of healthcare transmission is an oddity that > after the politics of this thing are over I hope they > do some deep diving into, its either going to boil > down to we still dont actually know how its primarily > transmitting or healthcare has such a high incidence > of low viral load exposures that theyr innoculated > without actually catching it, similar to how some > allergies can be beaten through very low dose > exposures to the allergen, will be interesting > research when the politics of it are over) > > Every single "look at this country, look at that > country" has turned out to be wrong on both sides of > the argument, even WHO says lockdowns are the wrong > solution now. > > Im still waiting for the fed money that went out to > put a bunch of people in prison, even in this industry > there will probably be some prison sentences handed > out, the money came with requirements, it wasnt just > free cash to grow a company. > > I can tell you there is something going around thats > causing chest xrays to look exactly like covid damage, > but no testing method is identifying the presence of > covid or history of its presence, thats concerning, > keep that in mind when relaxing policies. Its flu > season, and given the disruption of interaction, this > years flu vaccine is not going to very effective, its > worth keeping covid policies in place regardless to > not have staff out with a wild flu. > > And remember, the media frenzy is only just beginning > its 8 days of hell, > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 3:40 PM Jaime Solorza > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > We are so bad we were featured on ABC News.... > people just want to fucking party... > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 1:25 PM Ken Hohhof > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Numbers here in Illinois are bad again today, > all we can say is “at least we’re not Wisconsin”. > > I no longer roll my eyes at my daughter > choosing to live in Maine, where “social > distancing” was already the norm. (bike photo > was actually from a ride a month ago up to the > Quebec border) > > *From:*AF <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf > Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 12:17 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 > months and counting > > On Thursday our techs had to stop wiring up > panel and stuff because two electricians would > wear masks...I wasn't there , I would have > made them step outside ...our boss complained > to water utilities because we are on a > schedule with several people. > > The control room is small. > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:19 AM Matt Hoppes > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > We are doing normal installs for now. > Watching our local county info in internal > tracking systems I developed. > > So far we’re staying fairly isolated. If > things severely spike this winter we will > shut down installs again. > > At this point we are not masking nor > requiring customers to wear masks - but we > do ask customers to stay 10feet away from > techs. This point will be driven home even > more as we go into the winter months. > > On Oct 24, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Ken > Hohhof <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > So 8 months in, numbers are getting > worse not better, and despite what > anybody says the end is not just > around the corner. > > I remember at the beginning some WISPs > were not sending techs inside customer > homes, maybe pushing a cable through > the wall and having the customer plug > in the POE and router. Is anybody > still declining to do inside work? > Installs, repairs? > > Also, what about the FCC requested > “pledge” not to disconnect customers > for nonpayment during the pandemic. > How many are still doing that, and > assuming things won’t be back to > “normal” until well into 2021 or even > 2022, how long do you plan to > continue? Are you taking any > additional steps, like downgrading > their speed or declining to do > upgrades, or requiring proof of > hardship? I know this wasn’t > mandatory, but if we did it > voluntarily, should there be a time > limit? And if at that point they are > 6-12 months behind, do we write that > off rather than expecting they will > catch up? > > It’s also interesting I see on cable > company forums issues about mask > refusal, both by techs and customers, > and even of customers who have Covid > but still want their Internet fixed. > I hesitate to bring this up because it > has become a political or “freedom” > issue in a way that seatbelts or > smoking or wearing a yellow vest at a > grain elevator or even picking up > after your dog isn’t, and I’m tired of > being caught in the middle. But take > the extreme case of a customer who > recently tested positive or the tech > gets there and strongly suspects > someone in the house is contagious, is > this really happening, and what is > your response? At the beginning I > would ask when setting up every > appointment, has anyone in the house > tested positive, but I’ve come to > believe that’s pointless. > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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