And the people who would throw lit cigarettes out their car window.
Or drop them on the carpet at places like theaters and put them out
with their heel. Remember cars with “wing windows”? My dad thought
those were invented for pipe smokers.
But there’s the seduction scene in The Graduate where Benjamin kisses
Mrs. Robinson and then she exhales the cigarette smoke.
*From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *[email protected]
*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 5:51 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
I sure do not miss overseas flights that allowed smoking. That was
awful and I used to smoke.
*From:*Ken Hohhof
*Sent:*Monday, October 26, 2020 4:16 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
Unfortunately attitudes sometimes take a generation to change. When I
was young, people smoked everywhere, then they started having
designated smoking areas, now smokers are pariahs. Used to be, if
your dog pooped on someone else’s lawn, you left it for them to pick
up. People used to chew tobacco and spit on the sidewalk. Buffets
didn’t used to have sneezeguards. It took Seinfeld to make “double
dipping” a taboo. Other things like seatbelts and child seats have
gone from controversial to the societal norm. Probably motorcycle
helmets are the exception, mostly because the only harm to others is
they have to see your brains all over the road if you get in an accident.
It’s interesting how worked up some people get at women breastfeeding
in public, but asking that you wear a piece of cloth over your nose
and mouth when indoors and within close proximity to others while
there is a highly infectious respiratory disease circulating, well,
that’s an intolerable infringement on your freedom.
Even the stores with the “no shoes, no shirt, no service” policy,
where was the outrage over that? What about restaurants that require
men to wear a coat and tie? I’m not a big fan, but hey, your house,
your rules.
We seem to have lost the ability to respect others. Like covering
your head or taking off your shoes when going into some houses of
worship, that’s not a violation of your freedom, it’s respecting others.
With the Covid pandemic, though, I don’t think we have time to wait a
generation. Think of all the people who died waiting decades for
cigarettes to become uncool. I will say, when I see the young kids in
stores and other public places with masks, they seem to think it’s no
different than wearing underwear or shoes. The next generation will
probably wonder what all the fuss was about. I just hope the 50% of
people who are saying they won’t get the vaccine when it comes out
change their mind, I’ve heard numbers like 80% will probably need to
get it, or we’ll be wearing masks forever. Even so, nobody knows if
the shots will last 3 months or a year or longer. I’ve mostly never
gotten flu shots, but we’ll probably need to get Covid shots every
year forever. I don’t see it getting eradicated like smallpox.
*From:*AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 4:45 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
Stay safe guys. We have my cousins husband die from it two weeks
ago...33 years old .
My wife wears N95 masks, gloves, face shields , goggles, full ppe garb
at work everyday....she changes out in our back porch, including
shoes...we spray them with Lysol...showers as soon as she comes inside
home..
She has diabetes...
I am about to hit 65 in November...taking no chances
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 3:37 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We spent the last week at Lake Tahoe. Almost everywhere we went
mask wearing was near 100%, until Friday, we went to a restaurant
for lunch. They had set up booths outdoors with plexiglass
dividers and plenty of distance. all the employees wore masks;
they even provided a virtual menu via a QR Code that was on a card
on the table (so far so good).
When it came time to leave, my partner had to visit the restroom.
She had to walk past the bar, where she said they were crowded,
shoulder to shoulder, and zero masks. As Tony Fauci commented
"Nothing good is going to come from that."
I'm a 70-year-old guy, and while I think I'm in pretty good shape,
I do not have ready access to any monoclonal antibodies, nor do I
expect to in the next 6 months.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/26/2020 2:20 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
We are on a curfew watch and stay at home order.... fucking
selfish people out at bars and restaurants, home parties...
My son was in New Zealand for three months... they had their
shit together.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 1:21 PM Matt Hoppes
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hold on. Reading your email I am getting conflicting
information. You said that this seems like it’s a joke but
then also that you’ve moved everyone who can remote.
I disagree we have hospitals that are being overwhelmed
right now look at El Paso. This is not going away after
the election.
On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Steve Jones
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Its almost like nobody listened to the science, they
clearly said that the natural progression of any novel
virus is 3 annual seasons, with this one in particular
being predominately in fall. this is season 2. We have
treatments now that are effective, we quit killing
people with ventilators the way were were in the
beginning, healthcare isnt overwhelmed and theres no
shortage of PPE. We only have 8 days until reporting
on this changes to be less terrifying.
Healthy people are being exposed, beating it, and
innoculated, 3 months permanent, no one knows if this
is different thatn 99 percent of other viruses. but of
the well over 30 million people who were verified
positive via testing and have since recovered, less
than 20 globally have been reinfected, so odds are the
vast majority are immune.
Knowing what we know now, we have permanently moved
all positions that can be remote to remote. techs dont
go any further than the garage if they dont have to.
Its techs choice to mask up and glove up, and as long
as they choose to mask up and glove up, it will
continue to be there choice. This is only applicable
to interiors, theyre not required to mask outside,
thats simply ignorant to require and its not
"following the science" . ut the tech can choose to do
that if they want. hell, if they want to wear a condom
all day, its none of our concern.
Our state positivity numbers are a joke, they simply
base it on the percentage of total tests that are
positive, its gotten colder, so people arent getting
tested on a whim and we are back to primarily people
with risk factors getting tested, the positivity rate
went up as would be expected, but not as high as
anticipated.
If legitimate numbers start going up like
hospitalizations (luckily I have ins in healthcare so
i dont have to rely on media reports and politically
charged public health departments, i am privy to
internal census reports in healthcare) then we will
look toward lower contact solutions, and no contact if
our coverage area sees a legitimate surge.
We dont do stupid stuff, like my contractor who was
infected, we cancelled him for his quarantine period.
We dont have in person company meetings. When we are
together on project work we dont ride in the same
vehicle, we just dont take any unnecessary risk, but
we also dont let risk avoidance unnecessarily impact
operations.
I quit worrying about exposures with the wife working
in a hospital, we are exposed constantly. (the low
incidence of healthcare transmission is an oddity that
after the politics of this thing are over I hope they
do some deep diving into, its either going to boil
down to we still dont actually know how its primarily
transmitting or healthcare has such a high incidence
of low viral load exposures that theyr innoculated
without actually catching it, similar to how some
allergies can be beaten through very low dose
exposures to the allergen, will be interesting
research when the politics of it are over)
Every single "look at this country, look at that
country" has turned out to be wrong on both sides of
the argument, even WHO says lockdowns are the wrong
solution now.
Im still waiting for the fed money that went out to
put a bunch of people in prison, even in this industry
there will probably be some prison sentences handed
out, the money came with requirements, it wasnt just
free cash to grow a company.
I can tell you there is something going around thats
causing chest xrays to look exactly like covid damage,
but no testing method is identifying the presence of
covid or history of its presence, thats concerning,
keep that in mind when relaxing policies. Its flu
season, and given the disruption of interaction, this
years flu vaccine is not going to very effective, its
worth keeping covid policies in place regardless to
not have staff out with a wild flu.
And remember, the media frenzy is only just beginning
its 8 days of hell,
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 3:40 PM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We are so bad we were featured on ABC News....
people just want to fucking party...
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 1:25 PM Ken Hohhof
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Numbers here in Illinois are bad again today,
all we can say is “at least we’re not Wisconsin”.
I no longer roll my eyes at my daughter
choosing to live in Maine, where “social
distancing” was already the norm. (bike photo
was actually from a ride a month ago up to the
Quebec border)
*From:*AF <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> *On Behalf
Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 12:17 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8
months and counting
On Thursday our techs had to stop wiring up
panel and stuff because two electricians would
wear masks...I wasn't there , I would have
made them step outside ...our boss complained
to water utilities because we are on a
schedule with several people.
The control room is small.
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:19 AM Matt Hoppes
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
We are doing normal installs for now.
Watching our local county info in internal
tracking systems I developed.
So far we’re staying fairly isolated. If
things severely spike this winter we will
shut down installs again.
At this point we are not masking nor
requiring customers to wear masks - but we
do ask customers to stay 10feet away from
techs. This point will be driven home even
more as we go into the winter months.
On Oct 24, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Ken
Hohhof <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So 8 months in, numbers are getting
worse not better, and despite what
anybody says the end is not just
around the corner.
I remember at the beginning some WISPs
were not sending techs inside customer
homes, maybe pushing a cable through
the wall and having the customer plug
in the POE and router. Is anybody
still declining to do inside work?
Installs, repairs?
Also, what about the FCC requested
“pledge” not to disconnect customers
for nonpayment during the pandemic.
How many are still doing that, and
assuming things won’t be back to
“normal” until well into 2021 or even
2022, how long do you plan to
continue? Are you taking any
additional steps, like downgrading
their speed or declining to do
upgrades, or requiring proof of
hardship? I know this wasn’t
mandatory, but if we did it
voluntarily, should there be a time
limit? And if at that point they are
6-12 months behind, do we write that
off rather than expecting they will
catch up?
It’s also interesting I see on cable
company forums issues about mask
refusal, both by techs and customers,
and even of customers who have Covid
but still want their Internet fixed.
I hesitate to bring this up because it
has become a political or “freedom”
issue in a way that seatbelts or
smoking or wearing a yellow vest at a
grain elevator or even picking up
after your dog isn’t, and I’m tired of
being caught in the middle. But take
the extreme case of a customer who
recently tested positive or the tech
gets there and strongly suspects
someone in the house is contagious, is
this really happening, and what is
your response? At the beginning I
would ask when setting up every
appointment, has anyone in the house
tested positive, but I’ve come to
believe that’s pointless.
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