LENT! From: Chuck Macenski Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
UBNT UBNT UBNT UBNT On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:12 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <[email protected]> wrote: I hated sociology when I was in college, but had to take it. I think sociology now would be fascinating. Think about how far we have degraded as a society. Of all people, the people on this list should not be surprised of where we are at. There has always been conspiracy theories. Bigfoot, Area 51, JFK, etc. But in the pre-internet days, you really had to want to be a conspiracy person to get sucked in. You had to subscribe to magazines, you had to find books at the store or library. You really had to be dedicated to that conspiracy. Most considered them urban legends, only a few took the deep dive. It also helped that 99% of the news was centralized. You watched a certain channel because you liked the person doing the reporting , not the news itself. If there was spin, it was mostly all spun in the same direction. Then came the Internet. Now we have BBS and chat rooms where these conspiracy people can virtually meet. Still not an issue because a majority of the population is still getting their news from a centralized place. CNN at this point was still main stream and in inline with the networks. Then AOL comes along and everyone starts getting on the Internet. Things start getting a little worst. Remember Bonsai Kitten. Hey, its on the Internet so it is true. Forums start popping up, some people start building their own websites, e-mail is becoming more popular. It's dial up, still takes a lot of work to get involved with the conspiracy guys. But now you have a bit easier access to the rabbit hole. Most news is still consumed via TV and Newspapers. Most events are still reported accurately. Then dedicated always on Internet shows up along with social media. This begins the downward spiral. No more dial up. You can create any type of bat shit crazy FB group/page. You can post any type of video on youtube. Now that rabbit hole is getting easier to navigate. You can start blogging or vlogging. You can setup websites via godaddy in a few clicks. More people are starting to get their news via the Internet. The news organizations start seeing this and begin their presence online. News is starting to get a bit more blurry as some of these virtual news organizations start competing with the old timers. Then we get smart phones, snapchat, instagram, etc. Now we have access to that rabbit hole wherever we are. There is almost zero effort needed to make a post to social media. Anyone with a selfie stick and a smart phone is now a reporter. Virtual "news" channels streamed from someones basement are now on ROKU or FireStick. There is no more centralize news. Everything is an opinion story. Old school news outlets have to stop being independent and start leaning one way or another to survive in the new age. All that matters now is followers, eyeballs and ad revenue. Keep your eyeballs worked up as much as possible, so they come back or go deeper into the rabbit hole. As I said of all people, we on this list should not be surprised where we are as a country. We watched this develop over the last 20+ years. Unfortunately, I really don't see how it gets better. There was always some fringe groups out there, but now there is no such thing as fringe. Everyone has now been divided into tribes. Red tribe, Blue tribe, LGQBT tribe, BLM tribe, Proud Boys tribe, Christian tribe, etc. With social media we are now free to associated with only the people that agree with us. We surround ourselves with yes men. We rarely hear "The Rest of the Story". Our believes are confirmed and reinforced each and every day until we are willing to die for them. Chris Rock in the movie Dogma had a great quote "I just think it's better to have an idea. You can change an idea; changing a belief is trickier. People die for it, people kill for it." -- Best regards, Mark mailto:[email protected] Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com ------ Thursday, January 7, 2021, 2:37:53 PM, you wrote: It seems like it should be pretty obvious to everyone at this point that no matter what is said on either side of these political issues that nothing is going to change the opinions and beliefs of people on the other side. No matter how much “proof” either side has to show that they are right, no one is going to change their opinion. I suppose there are always some people who straddle the fence (just watch out if you slip and it’s a picket or razor blade fence you’re straddling!) and might be swayed by something they see, but the reality is that nothing is gained by anyone by these conversations on a list like this. In fact, much is lost…….. hopefully those that unsubscribed will come back. Personally, as long as political discussions don’t get so vicious as they’ve been at times, I find many of them entertaining. Overall though they seem to have caused more damage to this group than any benefit they’ve ever given. From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:24 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Cc: Chuck McCown <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and compare the two by the numbers. Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to simple counting of participants times time. But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far earlier. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not. We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote: Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so. The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB youre no fun dad Lent? On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF <[email protected]> wrote: Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House <[email protected]> wrote: " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list ------------------------------------------------------ From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool. The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. it's a coup. Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's not an "election". Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that is intolerable. hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come warn us -- saw it or believed in it. I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple You arrogant asses, you've killed us! -- On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev predicted it... Trump enabled it. Go ahead and get off this list Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans... This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said it was going to be wild ... So fuck them to hell. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> wrote: IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell it, unlike during the biden obama administration when he didnt demand the same. god this is funny. sad they havent shot more of these mopes today and historically On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> wrote: WTF...third world country tactics... 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