We ordered the newer variant of the wireless wire today, we will see how it
goes. We are waiting to see how the cambium product does and plan on using
the extensively for short short stuff, we have an odd number of banks with
remote drivethroughs very nearby.

I'm jaded on ignitnet. One of those incidental ones we dealt with had
killed one of our POPs off and on, the operator had the apparent default
5ghz backup enabled and it was misaligned so it would sporadically trash
5ghz, noisy useless bastards that they are

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 4:31 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote:

> The 5ghz backup would have been pretty useless on longer links. The
> problem is that it has tiny antennas (8dbi, if I remember right)... so it
> really only worked for really short links anyway, and even then, it seemed
> kind of buggy.
>
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:55 PM Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> It’s wise of them to have dropped 5GHz because it never really worked all
>> that well.
>>
>> The radios/antennas didn’t seem to be made for it and it ends up causing
>> more issues than it solves IMO.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of * Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 2:50 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems strange to me that they dropped the 5GHz backup radio from the GBE
>> Plus and the AF60LR.  All the other 60GHz radios have a 5GHz backup of some
>> sort.
>>
>> We have installed a number of the little 60GHz GBE radios and they seem
>> solid for short links with easy aim.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:31 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think they claim their "Wave AI" feature is supposed to somehow
>> magically make long links work better... but yeah, being able to use
>> 66-70ghz behaves more like 70/80ghz than the lower 60ghz band, so you can
>> do much longer distances... you still have the same problem with rain fade,
>> but even on something like a 1 mile link that will work at 64-65ghz, it
>> works a lot better, since you have more signal to work with.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:11 PM Carl Peterson <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is that the only extra magic in the LR?  They claim 12KM vs 2KM.  I would
>> never try 12 but I'm tempted to go for up to 3.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 3:02 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. Ubiquiti
>> AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because it can use the
>> higher channels.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> 700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm during clear
>> day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these things do a ton of
>> bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well during rain unless it’s
>> really DUMPING rain. I think during normal or heavy rain it’s still in the
>> mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic
>> drops off fast when you do. I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in
>> heavy rain, but very impressive throughput when it’s not raining,
>> surprisingly.
>>
>> > On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor so ive
>> never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of fade are we
>> talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
>> > We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need more
>> capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never understood the 60 ghz
>> ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise ship having a backup canoe
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