If you're doing 300-500 miles in a day regularly, an EV probably isn't for you at this point. 1-2 times a year, plan your trip around chargers and see the sites that happen to be around those chargers, or rent a gas car.
But even now, I really don't think any of that would be a problem in, say, a new Tesla Model S with 400 miles or range... Superchargers are everywhere, and they really don't take that long. to go 500 miles in a day, you'd probably be talking one 20 minute stop... that's basically lunch. On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:33 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: > Sure, but let's say it's 1-2 times a year. What do you do if you want to > make that long trip? > > I'm not saying you can't live with an EV, but doing 300-500 miles in a day > is certainly not uncommon (especially for me, I have the data to back that > up). If you only have an EV and you're limited on routes, you're in a bind. > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:20 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The thing is, when you've been driving an EV for awhile, you realize that >> (at least for most people) 200+ miles trips are such a small percentage of >> driving, that never having to stop at a gas station the rest of the time is >> a much bigger benefit. >> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:08 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Who wants to charge their car every 90 minutes for 10 minutes at a >>> time? Time to burn some dust, eat my rubber! >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:48 PM Robert Andrews <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If you are doing a 300 mile trip, your stop at a supercharger for a >>>> Model Y would be about 10 minutes to add another 150 miles, so that's >>>> not bad when you would be stopping at a gas station for 10 minutes as >>>> well. ( I haven't ever gotten out and put even 10 gallons in in less >>>> that 7 minutes with using the card and all that, you don't do any of >>>> that at a supercharger ) As far as towing is going, I think you will >>>> see more and more of the Electric Airstream campers coming down the >>>> road >>>> that have electric assist, to remove the range losses. There are used >>>> EV's on the market and the only reason the prices are high is because >>>> the demand is there, the prices will drop as more used ones hit the >>>> market, but they will come with reduced range, which is a loss and a >>>> gain because the rest of the drivetrain will have a lot more use than a >>>> 60K+ ICE vehicle... So the only takeaway is that it's still a rapidly >>>> evolving market, but the ICE builders already see the writing on the >>>> wall.... New teslas come with integrated battery packs which I think >>>> is >>>> going to be a problem in the future, but I am not going to be the one >>>> dealing with that... >>>> >>>> On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote: >>>> > Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For >>>> me it's not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one direction >>>> and then back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to want to take a >>>> trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day on the long trip. I do not >>>> want to be limited to 250 miles before I have to stop for an extended >>>> period to recharge. Personally that is a serious limit on my personal >>>> freedom of movement. For instance it's not uncommon for spring or winter >>>> breaks to drive from upstate NY to Florida in a single 24 hour period. When >>>> you only have a week for vacation tag team driving to get there with a >>>> carload of people is still cheaper than try to fly everyone. Also the >>>> restriction of being able to haul larger loads similarly are a big >>>> limitation. Having a 27 foot camper to load the family up and take a >>>> vacation is not possible with the current availability of EV's out there. >>>> > >>>> > Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual cost >>>> of the vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I like to buy >>>> used vehicles with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10 >>>> grand(usually a lot less) and pay cash for them. I haven't had a car >>>> payment in over 15 years and do not want to be forced in to having to do >>>> so. With getting closer to retirement age every year, I do not want to be >>>> forced in to incurring debt. For me the goal is to be debt free, not have >>>> to fork over 30 grand or more just to be able to continue to transport >>>> myself around. People making decisions like no more gas engines for lawn >>>> mowers and such, they tend to live in some sort of state of constant debt, >>>> if they are in government they have no concept of not being in debt. Most >>>> will think I am crazy for thinking this way because society just wants to >>>> accept that debt is a necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing and >>>> converting to EV's and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not >>>> being fairly considered in the process. >>>> > >>>> > Thank you, >>>> > Brian Webster >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews >>>> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM >>>> > To: [email protected] >>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>>> > >>>> > There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube. >>>> Seems >>>> > like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain... >>>> > >>>> > On 2/14/22 09:56, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with the >>>> EV’s >>>> >> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have often >>>> >> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and how it >>>> >> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in >>>> >> January and February. >>>> >> >>>> >> Thanks, >>>> >> >>>> >> Brandon >>>> >> >>>> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>>> >> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM >>>> >> *To:* [email protected] >>>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>>> >> >>>> >> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery >>>> tech >>>> >> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel. >>>> >> >>>> >> bp >>>> >> >>>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are also >>>> >> better at torque than diesel and gasoline. >>>> >> >>>> >> Where they don't shine is range when actually working. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ----- >>>> >> Mike Hammett >>>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >>>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >> >>>> >> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> <mailto: >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM >>>> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>>> >> >>>> >> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to 1 >>>> gallon >>>> >> of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH >>>> >> batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more) on the >>>> rough >>>> >> equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas. >>>> >> >>>> >> bp >>>> >> >>>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> The funny thing is that while diesel has superior >>>> performance to >>>> >> gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior performance to >>>> diesel >>>> >> in many ways. >>>> >> >>>> >> Kinda ironic... >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ----- >>>> >> Mike Hammett >>>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >>>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >> >>>> >> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> >>>> >> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM >>>> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>>> >> >>>> >> It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage for >>>> people >>>> >> who think EVs are the devil's spawn. >>>> >> >>>> >> bp >>>> >> >>>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> In the past year I've observed that agressive driving >>>> seems >>>> >> to be the norm now. More assholes, especially pickups >>>> using >>>> >> farm diesel (black-foul-smelling-smoke). I been >>>> thinking of >>>> >> investing in a stash of bumper stickers to stick on >>>> their >>>> >> trucks that says "shoot me please". >>>> >> >>>> >> On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Its possible that with the lower threshold more >>>> folks >>>> >> were able to be arrested before they couldgo fora >>>> >> croaker cruise. >>>> >> >>>> >> Its more probable though that ride sharing grew >>>> during >>>> >> that period and the generation of party drinkers >>>> used it >>>> >> more as a matter of trend. >>>> >> >>>> >> Drinking establishments being closed or otherwise >>>> >> inaccessible due to the rona too probably playeda >>>> huge >>>> >> role, like the seeming disappearance of flu. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> During Covid, in Utah, there have been the >>>> highest >>>> >> rate of deaths ever recorded due to car crashes. >>>> >> >>>> >> Meanwhile, at approximately the same time >>>> another >>>> >> experiment was running. >>>> >> >>>> >> Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood alcohol level >>>> for >>>> >> driving from .08 to .05%. >>>> >> >>>> >> Many, including myself, figured that there >>>> would not >>>> >> be a significant difference. >>>> >> >>>> >> But I also commented at the time that this one >>>> will >>>> >> be easy to prove or disprove. >>>> >> >>>> >> Deaths and crashes linked to drunken driving >>>> dropped >>>> >> by 19.8% since the law took effect. 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