>plan your trip around chargers This is straight awful IMO. I want to stop when I want to stop, not when I need to stop.
You're absolutely forced to do lunch within a few steps of that charger. If you don't mind fast food that's probably a moot point, but when I go to a different area I absolutely do not want anything like that or anything I'm routinely familiar with. Different strokes, different folks. I looked at a Taycan and while it drives amazing, the trunk is worse than the Panamera (seriously wtf) and the range issue is a killer for me (being my daily). On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:43 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > If you're doing 300-500 miles in a day regularly, an EV probably isn't for > you at this point. 1-2 times a year, plan your trip around chargers and see > the sites that happen to be around those chargers, or rent a gas car. > > But even now, I really don't think any of that would be a problem in, say, > a new Tesla Model S with 400 miles or range... Superchargers are > everywhere, and they really don't take that long. to go 500 miles in a day, > you'd probably be talking one 20 minute stop... that's basically lunch. > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:33 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Sure, but let's say it's 1-2 times a year. What do you do if you want to >> make that long trip? >> >> I'm not saying you can't live with an EV, but doing 300-500 miles in a >> day is certainly not uncommon (especially for me, I have the data to back >> that up). If you only have an EV and you're limited on routes, you're in a >> bind. >> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:20 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> The thing is, when you've been driving an EV for awhile, you realize >>> that (at least for most people) 200+ miles trips are such a small >>> percentage of driving, that never having to stop at a gas station the rest >>> of the time is a much bigger benefit. >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:08 PM Josh Luthman < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Who wants to charge their car every 90 minutes for 10 minutes at a >>>> time? Time to burn some dust, eat my rubber! >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:48 PM Robert Andrews <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you are doing a 300 mile trip, your stop at a supercharger for a >>>>> Model Y would be about 10 minutes to add another 150 miles, so that's >>>>> not bad when you would be stopping at a gas station for 10 minutes as >>>>> well. ( I haven't ever gotten out and put even 10 gallons in in less >>>>> that 7 minutes with using the card and all that, you don't do any of >>>>> that at a supercharger ) As far as towing is going, I think you will >>>>> see more and more of the Electric Airstream campers coming down the >>>>> road >>>>> that have electric assist, to remove the range losses. There are >>>>> used >>>>> EV's on the market and the only reason the prices are high is because >>>>> the demand is there, the prices will drop as more used ones hit the >>>>> market, but they will come with reduced range, which is a loss and a >>>>> gain because the rest of the drivetrain will have a lot more use than >>>>> a >>>>> 60K+ ICE vehicle... So the only takeaway is that it's still a >>>>> rapidly >>>>> evolving market, but the ICE builders already see the writing on the >>>>> wall.... New teslas come with integrated battery packs which I think >>>>> is >>>>> going to be a problem in the future, but I am not going to be the one >>>>> dealing with that... >>>>> >>>>> On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote: >>>>> > Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For >>>>> me it's not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one >>>>> direction >>>>> and then back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to want to take a >>>>> trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day on the long trip. I do not >>>>> want to be limited to 250 miles before I have to stop for an extended >>>>> period to recharge. Personally that is a serious limit on my personal >>>>> freedom of movement. For instance it's not uncommon for spring or winter >>>>> breaks to drive from upstate NY to Florida in a single 24 hour period. >>>>> When >>>>> you only have a week for vacation tag team driving to get there with a >>>>> carload of people is still cheaper than try to fly everyone. Also the >>>>> restriction of being able to haul larger loads similarly are a big >>>>> limitation. Having a 27 foot camper to load the family up and take a >>>>> vacation is not possible with the current availability of EV's out there. >>>>> > >>>>> > Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual cost >>>>> of the vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I like to buy >>>>> used vehicles with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10 >>>>> grand(usually a lot less) and pay cash for them. I haven't had a car >>>>> payment in over 15 years and do not want to be forced in to having to do >>>>> so. With getting closer to retirement age every year, I do not want to be >>>>> forced in to incurring debt. For me the goal is to be debt free, not have >>>>> to fork over 30 grand or more just to be able to continue to transport >>>>> myself around. People making decisions like no more gas engines for lawn >>>>> mowers and such, they tend to live in some sort of state of constant debt, >>>>> if they are in government they have no concept of not being in debt. Most >>>>> will think I am crazy for thinking this way because society just wants to >>>>> accept that debt is a necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing and >>>>> converting to EV's and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not >>>>> being fairly considered in the process. >>>>> > >>>>> > Thank you, >>>>> > Brian Webster >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert >>>>> Andrews >>>>> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM >>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>>>> > >>>>> > There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube. >>>>> Seems >>>>> > like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain... >>>>> > >>>>> > On 2/14/22 09:56, [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with the >>>>> EV’s >>>>> >> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have often >>>>> >> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and how it >>>>> >> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in >>>>> >> January and February. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Thanks, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Brandon >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>>>> >> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM >>>>> >> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>>>> >> >>>>> >> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery >>>>> tech >>>>> >> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> bp >>>>> >> >>>>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are >>>>> also >>>>> >> better at torque than diesel and gasoline. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Where they don't shine is range when actually working. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> ----- >>>>> >> Mike Hammett >>>>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >>>>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> <mailto: >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM >>>>> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>>>> >> >>>>> >> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to 1 >>>>> gallon >>>>> >> of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH >>>>> >> batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more) on the >>>>> rough >>>>> >> equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> bp >>>>> >> >>>>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The funny thing is that while diesel has superior >>>>> performance to >>>>> >> gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior performance to >>>>> diesel >>>>> >> in many ways. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Kinda ironic... >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> ----- >>>>> >> Mike Hammett >>>>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >>>>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> >>>>> >> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> >> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM >>>>> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>>>> >> >>>>> >> It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage for >>>>> people >>>>> >> who think EVs are the devil's spawn. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> bp >>>>> >> >>>>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> In the past year I've observed that agressive driving >>>>> seems >>>>> >> to be the norm now. More assholes, especially pickups >>>>> using >>>>> >> farm diesel (black-foul-smelling-smoke). I been >>>>> thinking of >>>>> >> investing in a stash of bumper stickers to stick on >>>>> their >>>>> >> trucks that says "shoot me please". >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Its possible that with the lower threshold more >>>>> folks >>>>> >> were able to be arrested before they couldgo fora >>>>> >> croaker cruise. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Its more probable though that ride sharing grew >>>>> during >>>>> >> that period and the generation of party drinkers >>>>> used it >>>>> >> more as a matter of trend. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Drinking establishments being closed or otherwise >>>>> >> inaccessible due to the rona too probably playeda >>>>> huge >>>>> >> role, like the seeming disappearance of flu. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> During Covid, in Utah, there have been the >>>>> highest >>>>> >> rate of deaths ever recorded due to car >>>>> crashes. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Meanwhile, at approximately the same time >>>>> another >>>>> >> experiment was running. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood alcohol level >>>>> for >>>>> >> driving from .08 to .05%. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Many, including myself, figured that there >>>>> would not >>>>> >> be a significant difference. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> But I also commented at the time that this one >>>>> will >>>>> >> be easy to prove or disprove. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Deaths and crashes linked to drunken driving >>>>> dropped >>>>> >> by 19.8% since the law took effect. 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