I'm not. I can go 500 miles on a tank. There is a gas station at almost every single exit. The last I looked, with Chargeway, the chargers are less often than rest areas.
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:52 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > You plan your trips around gas stations, why not chargers? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 2:49:51 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers > > >plan your trip around chargers > > This is straight awful IMO. I want to stop when I want to stop, not when > I need to stop. > > You're absolutely forced to do lunch within a few steps of that charger. > If you don't mind fast food that's probably a moot point, but when I go to > a different area I absolutely do not want anything like that or anything > I'm routinely familiar with. > > Different strokes, different folks. I looked at a Taycan and while it > drives amazing, the trunk is worse than the Panamera (seriously wtf) and > the range issue is a killer for me (being my daily). > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:43 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> If you're doing 300-500 miles in a day regularly, an EV probably isn't >> for you at this point. 1-2 times a year, plan your trip around chargers and >> see the sites that happen to be around those chargers, or rent a gas car. >> >> But even now, I really don't think any of that would be a problem in, >> say, a new Tesla Model S with 400 miles or range... Superchargers are >> everywhere, and they really don't take that long. to go 500 miles in a day, >> you'd probably be talking one 20 minute stop... that's basically lunch. >> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:33 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Sure, but let's say it's 1-2 times a year. What do you do if you want >>> to make that long trip? >>> >>> I'm not saying you can't live with an EV, but doing 300-500 miles in a >>> day is certainly not uncommon (especially for me, I have the data to back >>> that up). If you only have an EV and you're limited on routes, you're in a >>> bind. >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:20 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The thing is, when you've been driving an EV for awhile, you realize >>>> that (at least for most people) 200+ miles trips are such a small >>>> percentage of driving, that never having to stop at a gas station the rest >>>> of the time is a much bigger benefit. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:08 PM Josh Luthman < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Who wants to charge their car every 90 minutes for 10 minutes at a >>>>> time? Time to burn some dust, eat my rubber! >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:48 PM Robert Andrews <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you are doing a 300 mile trip, your stop at a supercharger for a >>>>>> Model Y would be about 10 minutes to add another 150 miles, so that's >>>>>> not bad when you would be stopping at a gas station for 10 minutes as >>>>>> well. ( I haven't ever gotten out and put even 10 gallons in in less >>>>>> that 7 minutes with using the card and all that, you don't do any of >>>>>> that at a supercharger ) As far as towing is going, I think you >>>>>> will >>>>>> see more and more of the Electric Airstream campers coming down the >>>>>> road >>>>>> that have electric assist, to remove the range losses. There are >>>>>> used >>>>>> EV's on the market and the only reason the prices are high is because >>>>>> the demand is there, the prices will drop as more used ones hit the >>>>>> market, but they will come with reduced range, which is a loss and a >>>>>> gain because the rest of the drivetrain will have a lot more use than >>>>>> a >>>>>> 60K+ ICE vehicle... So the only takeaway is that it's still a >>>>>> rapidly >>>>>> evolving market, but the ICE builders already see the writing on the >>>>>> wall.... New teslas come with integrated battery packs which I think >>>>>> is >>>>>> going to be a problem in the future, but I am not going to be the one >>>>>> dealing with that... >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote: >>>>>> > Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. >>>>>> For me it's not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one >>>>>> direction and then back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to want >>>>>> to >>>>>> take a trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day on the long trip. I >>>>>> do >>>>>> not want to be limited to 250 miles before I have to stop for an extended >>>>>> period to recharge. Personally that is a serious limit on my personal >>>>>> freedom of movement. For instance it's not uncommon for spring or winter >>>>>> breaks to drive from upstate NY to Florida in a single 24 hour period. >>>>>> When >>>>>> you only have a week for vacation tag team driving to get there with a >>>>>> carload of people is still cheaper than try to fly everyone. Also the >>>>>> restriction of being able to haul larger loads similarly are a big >>>>>> limitation. Having a 27 foot camper to load the family up and take a >>>>>> vacation is not possible with the current availability of EV's out there. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual cost >>>>>> of the vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I like to buy >>>>>> used vehicles with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10 >>>>>> grand(usually a lot less) and pay cash for them. I haven't had a car >>>>>> payment in over 15 years and do not want to be forced in to having to do >>>>>> so. With getting closer to retirement age every year, I do not want to be >>>>>> forced in to incurring debt. For me the goal is to be debt free, not have >>>>>> to fork over 30 grand or more just to be able to continue to transport >>>>>> myself around. People making decisions like no more gas engines for lawn >>>>>> mowers and such, they tend to live in some sort of state of constant >>>>>> debt, >>>>>> if they are in government they have no concept of not being in debt. Most >>>>>> will think I am crazy for thinking this way because society just wants to >>>>>> accept that debt is a necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing and >>>>>> converting to EV's and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not >>>>>> being fairly considered in the process. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Thank you, >>>>>> > Brian Webster >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>> > From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert >>>>>> Andrews >>>>>> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM >>>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>>>>> > >>>>>> > There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube. >>>>>> Seems >>>>>> > like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On 2/14/22 09:56, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> >> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with >>>>>> the EV’s >>>>>> >> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have >>>>>> often >>>>>> >> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and how it >>>>>> >> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in >>>>>> >> January and February. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Thanks, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Brandon >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>>>>> >> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM >>>>>> >> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery >>>>>> tech >>>>>> >> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> bp >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are >>>>>> also >>>>>> >> better at torque than diesel and gasoline. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Where they don't shine is range when actually working. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> ----- >>>>>> >> Mike Hammett >>>>>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>>>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >>>>>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>>>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> <mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM >>>>>> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to 1 >>>>>> gallon >>>>>> >> of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH >>>>>> >> batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more) on the >>>>>> rough >>>>>> >> equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> bp >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> The funny thing is that while diesel has superior >>>>>> performance to >>>>>> >> gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior performance to >>>>>> diesel >>>>>> >> in many ways. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Kinda ironic... >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> ----- >>>>>> >> Mike Hammett >>>>>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>>>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >>>>>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>>>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> >>>>>> >> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM >>>>>> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage for >>>>>> people >>>>>> >> who think EVs are the devil's spawn. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> bp >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> In the past year I've observed that agressive driving >>>>>> seems >>>>>> >> to be the norm now. More assholes, especially >>>>>> pickups using >>>>>> >> farm diesel (black-foul-smelling-smoke). I been >>>>>> thinking of >>>>>> >> investing in a stash of bumper stickers to stick on >>>>>> their >>>>>> >> trucks that says "shoot me please". >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Its possible that with the lower threshold more >>>>>> folks >>>>>> >> were able to be arrested before they couldgo fora >>>>>> >> croaker cruise. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Its more probable though that ride sharing grew >>>>>> during >>>>>> >> that period and the generation of party drinkers >>>>>> used it >>>>>> >> more as a matter of trend. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Drinking establishments being closed or otherwise >>>>>> >> inaccessible due to the rona too probably playeda >>>>>> huge >>>>>> >> role, like the seeming disappearance of flu. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>>>>> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> During Covid, in Utah, there have been the >>>>>> highest >>>>>> >> rate of deaths ever recorded due to car >>>>>> crashes. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Meanwhile, at approximately the same time >>>>>> another >>>>>> >> experiment was running. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood alcohol >>>>>> level for >>>>>> >> driving from .08 to .05%. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Many, including myself, figured that there >>>>>> would not >>>>>> >> be a significant difference. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> But I also commented at the time that this >>>>>> one will >>>>>> >> be easy to prove or disprove. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Deaths and crashes linked to drunken driving >>>>>> dropped >>>>>> >> by 19.8% since the law took effect. I think >>>>>> one >>>>>> >> could say that is statistically significant. >>>>>> Glad I >>>>>> >> was wrong. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> AF mailing list >>>>>> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >> < >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> AF mailing list >>>>>> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> AF mailing list >>>>>> >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >> <http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
-- AF mailing list [email protected] http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
