And you get to smile and wave at all the gas stations and wonder what
places like Jiffy Lube do.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 1:19 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
The thing is, when you've been driving an EV for awhile, you realize
that (at least for most people) 200+ miles trips are such a small
percentage of driving, that never having to stop at a gas station the
rest of the time is a much bigger benefit.
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:08 PM Josh Luthman
<[email protected]> wrote:
Who wants to charge their car every 90 minutes for 10 minutes at a
time? Time to burn some dust, eat my rubber!
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:48 PM Robert Andrews
<[email protected]> wrote:
If you are doing a 300 mile trip, your stop at a supercharger
for a
Model Y would be about 10 minutes to add another 150 miles, so
that's
not bad when you would be stopping at a gas station for 10
minutes as
well. ( I haven't ever gotten out and put even 10 gallons in
in less
that 7 minutes with using the card and all that, you don't do
any of
that at a supercharger ) As far as towing is going, I think
you will
see more and more of the Electric Airstream campers coming
down the road
that have electric assist, to remove the range losses. There
are used
EV's on the market and the only reason the prices are high is
because
the demand is there, the prices will drop as more used ones
hit the
market, but they will come with reduced range, which is a loss
and a
gain because the rest of the drivetrain will have a lot more
use than a
60K+ ICE vehicle... So the only takeaway is that it's still
a rapidly
evolving market, but the ICE builders already see the writing
on the
wall.... New teslas come with integrated battery packs which
I think is
going to be a problem in the future, but I am not going to be
the one
dealing with that...
On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote:
> Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range
limitations. For me it's not uncommon to have to take a trip
60 to 90 miles in one direction and then back in the same day.
It's also not uncommon to want to take a trip and covers 300
or more miles in that day on the long trip. I do not want to
be limited to 250 miles before I have to stop for an extended
period to recharge. Personally that is a serious limit on my
personal freedom of movement. For instance it's not uncommon
for spring or winter breaks to drive from upstate NY to
Florida in a single 24 hour period. When you only have a week
for vacation tag team driving to get there with a carload of
people is still cheaper than try to fly everyone. Also the
restriction of being able to haul larger loads similarly are a
big limitation. Having a 27 foot camper to load the family up
and take a vacation is not possible with the current
availability of EV's out there.
>
> Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the
actual cost of the vehicles. New car prices are outrageous.
Personally I like to buy used vehicles with higher mileage and
typically pay less than 10 grand(usually a lot less) and pay
cash for them. I haven't had a car payment in over 15 years
and do not want to be forced in to having to do so. With
getting closer to retirement age every year, I do not want to
be forced in to incurring debt. For me the goal is to be debt
free, not have to fork over 30 grand or more just to be able
to continue to transport myself around. People making
decisions like no more gas engines for lawn mowers and such,
they tend to live in some sort of state of constant debt, if
they are in government they have no concept of not being in
debt. Most will think I am crazy for thinking this way because
society just wants to accept that debt is a necessary way of
life. That debt for purchasing and converting to EV's and
getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not being fairly
considered in the process.
>
> Thank you,
> Brian Webster
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Robert Andrews
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>
> There are also a bunch of real life tests published on
Youtube. Seems
> like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain...
>
> On 2/14/22 09:56, [email protected] wrote:
>> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience
with the EV’s
>> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We
have often
>> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F
and how it
>> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common
for us in
>> January and February.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>>
>> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the
battery tech
>> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately,
EVs are also
>> better at torque than diesel and gasoline.
>>
>> Where they don't shine is range when actually working.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>>
>> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent
to 1 gallon
>> of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with
60-80 KWH
>> batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more)
on the rough
>> equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> The funny thing is that while diesel has superior
performance to
>> gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior
performance to diesel
>> in many ways.
>>
>> Kinda ironic...
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
<http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers
>>
>> It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage
for people
>> who think EVs are the devil's spawn.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
>>
>> In the past year I've observed that agressive
driving seems
>> to be the norm now. More assholes, especially
pickups using
>> farm diesel (black-foul-smelling-smoke). I
been thinking of
>> investing in a stash of bumper stickers to
stick on their
>> trucks that says "shoot me please".
>>
>> On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> Its possible that with the lower threshold
more folks
>> were able to be arrested before they
couldgo fora
>> croaker cruise.
>>
>> Its more probable though that ride sharing
grew during
>> that period and the generation of party
drinkers used it
>> more as a matter of trend.
>>
>> Drinking establishments being closed or
otherwise
>> inaccessible due to the rona too probably
playeda huge
>> role, like the seeming disappearance of flu.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown
via AF
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
>>
>> During Covid, in Utah, there have been
the highest
>> rate of deaths ever recorded due to
car crashes.
>>
>> Meanwhile, at approximately the same
time another
>> experiment was running.
>>
>> Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood
alcohol level for
>> driving from .08 to .05%.
>>
>> Many, including myself, figured that
there would not
>> be a significant difference.
>>
>> But I also commented at the time that
this one will
>> be easy to prove or disprove.
>>
>> Deaths and crashes linked to drunken
driving dropped
>> by 19.8% since the law took effect. I
think one
>> could say that is statistically
significant. Glad I
>> was wrong.
>>
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