They also overestimate how important it is to be able to drive long distances without stopping to re-charge. I've come to the conclusion that with superchargers and 350-400 miles of range (which a new Tesla can do), pretty much all of those concerns are a non-issue.
I admit there are some occasional inconveniences with only having 200 miles of range, but compared to the advantages of an EV, it's not even close, and I have no intention of ever going back to a gas car for my daily driver. On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:25 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > AGREED! > > > People vastly overestimate how often they drive long distances. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 2:19:19 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers > > The thing is, when you've been driving an EV for awhile, you realize that > (at least for most people) 200+ miles trips are such a small percentage of > driving, that never having to stop at a gas station the rest of the time is > a much bigger benefit. > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:08 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Who wants to charge their car every 90 minutes for 10 minutes at a time? >> Time to burn some dust, eat my rubber! >> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:48 PM Robert Andrews <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> If you are doing a 300 mile trip, your stop at a supercharger for a >>> Model Y would be about 10 minutes to add another 150 miles, so that's >>> not bad when you would be stopping at a gas station for 10 minutes as >>> well. ( I haven't ever gotten out and put even 10 gallons in in less >>> that 7 minutes with using the card and all that, you don't do any of >>> that at a supercharger ) As far as towing is going, I think you will >>> see more and more of the Electric Airstream campers coming down the road >>> that have electric assist, to remove the range losses. There are used >>> EV's on the market and the only reason the prices are high is because >>> the demand is there, the prices will drop as more used ones hit the >>> market, but they will come with reduced range, which is a loss and a >>> gain because the rest of the drivetrain will have a lot more use than a >>> 60K+ ICE vehicle... So the only takeaway is that it's still a rapidly >>> evolving market, but the ICE builders already see the writing on the >>> wall.... New teslas come with integrated battery packs which I think is >>> going to be a problem in the future, but I am not going to be the one >>> dealing with that... >>> >>> On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote: >>> > Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For >>> me it's not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one direction >>> and then back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to want to take a >>> trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day on the long trip. I do not >>> want to be limited to 250 miles before I have to stop for an extended >>> period to recharge. Personally that is a serious limit on my personal >>> freedom of movement. For instance it's not uncommon for spring or winter >>> breaks to drive from upstate NY to Florida in a single 24 hour period. When >>> you only have a week for vacation tag team driving to get there with a >>> carload of people is still cheaper than try to fly everyone. Also the >>> restriction of being able to haul larger loads similarly are a big >>> limitation. Having a 27 foot camper to load the family up and take a >>> vacation is not possible with the current availability of EV's out there. >>> > >>> > Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual cost of >>> the vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I like to buy used >>> vehicles with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10 grand(usually a >>> lot less) and pay cash for them. I haven't had a car payment in over 15 >>> years and do not want to be forced in to having to do so. With getting >>> closer to retirement age every year, I do not want to be forced in to >>> incurring debt. For me the goal is to be debt free, not have to fork over >>> 30 grand or more just to be able to continue to transport myself around. >>> People making decisions like no more gas engines for lawn mowers and such, >>> they tend to live in some sort of state of constant debt, if they are in >>> government they have no concept of not being in debt. Most will think I am >>> crazy for thinking this way because society just wants to accept that debt >>> is a necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing and converting to EV's >>> and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not being fairly >>> considered in the process. >>> > >>> > Thank you, >>> > Brian Webster >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews >>> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>> > >>> > There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube. Seems >>> > like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain... >>> > >>> > On 2/14/22 09:56, [email protected] wrote: >>> >> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with the >>> EV’s >>> >> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have often >>> >> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and how it >>> >> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in >>> >> January and February. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> >>> >> Brandon >>> >> >>> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>> >> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM >>> >> *To:* [email protected] >>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>> >> >>> >> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery tech >>> >> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel. >>> >> >>> >> bp >>> >> >>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >> >>> >> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are also >>> >> better at torque than diesel and gasoline. >>> >> >>> >> Where they don't shine is range when actually working. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- >>> >> Mike Hammett >>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >> >>> >> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> <mailto: >>> [email protected]> >>> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM >>> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>> >> >>> >> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to 1 >>> gallon >>> >> of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH >>> >> batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more) on the >>> rough >>> >> equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas. >>> >> >>> >> bp >>> >> >>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >> >>> >> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >> >>> >> The funny thing is that while diesel has superior >>> performance to >>> >> gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior performance to >>> diesel >>> >> in many ways. >>> >> >>> >> Kinda ironic... >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- >>> >> Mike Hammett >>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >> >>> >> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> >>> >> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> >> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM >>> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>> >> >>> >> It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage for people >>> >> who think EVs are the devil's spawn. >>> >> >>> >> bp >>> >> >>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >> >>> >> On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote: >>> >> >>> >> In the past year I've observed that agressive driving >>> seems >>> >> to be the norm now. More assholes, especially pickups >>> using >>> >> farm diesel (black-foul-smelling-smoke). I been >>> thinking of >>> >> investing in a stash of bumper stickers to stick on their >>> >> trucks that says "shoot me please". >>> >> >>> >> On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Its possible that with the lower threshold more folks >>> >> were able to be arrested before they couldgo fora >>> >> croaker cruise. >>> >> >>> >> Its more probable though that ride sharing grew >>> during >>> >> that period and the generation of party drinkers >>> used it >>> >> more as a matter of trend. >>> >> >>> >> Drinking establishments being closed or otherwise >>> >> inaccessible due to the rona too probably playeda >>> huge >>> >> role, like the seeming disappearance of flu. >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> During Covid, in Utah, there have been the >>> highest >>> >> rate of deaths ever recorded due to car crashes. >>> >> >>> >> Meanwhile, at approximately the same time another >>> >> experiment was running. >>> >> >>> >> Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood alcohol level >>> for >>> >> driving from .08 to .05%. >>> >> >>> >> Many, including myself, figured that there would >>> not >>> >> be a significant difference. >>> >> >>> >> But I also commented at the time that this one >>> will >>> >> be easy to prove or disprove. >>> >> >>> >> Deaths and crashes linked to drunken driving >>> dropped >>> >> by 19.8% since the law took effect. 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