The thing is, when you've been driving an EV for awhile, you realize that (at least for most people) 200+ miles trips are such a small percentage of driving, that never having to stop at a gas station the rest of the time is a much bigger benefit.
On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:08 PM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: > Who wants to charge their car every 90 minutes for 10 minutes at a time? > Time to burn some dust, eat my rubber! > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 2:48 PM Robert Andrews <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> If you are doing a 300 mile trip, your stop at a supercharger for a >> Model Y would be about 10 minutes to add another 150 miles, so that's >> not bad when you would be stopping at a gas station for 10 minutes as >> well. ( I haven't ever gotten out and put even 10 gallons in in less >> that 7 minutes with using the card and all that, you don't do any of >> that at a supercharger ) As far as towing is going, I think you will >> see more and more of the Electric Airstream campers coming down the road >> that have electric assist, to remove the range losses. There are used >> EV's on the market and the only reason the prices are high is because >> the demand is there, the prices will drop as more used ones hit the >> market, but they will come with reduced range, which is a loss and a >> gain because the rest of the drivetrain will have a lot more use than a >> 60K+ ICE vehicle... So the only takeaway is that it's still a rapidly >> evolving market, but the ICE builders already see the writing on the >> wall.... New teslas come with integrated battery packs which I think is >> going to be a problem in the future, but I am not going to be the one >> dealing with that... >> >> On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote: >> > Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For me >> it's not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one direction >> and then back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to want to take a >> trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day on the long trip. I do not >> want to be limited to 250 miles before I have to stop for an extended >> period to recharge. Personally that is a serious limit on my personal >> freedom of movement. For instance it's not uncommon for spring or winter >> breaks to drive from upstate NY to Florida in a single 24 hour period. When >> you only have a week for vacation tag team driving to get there with a >> carload of people is still cheaper than try to fly everyone. Also the >> restriction of being able to haul larger loads similarly are a big >> limitation. Having a 27 foot camper to load the family up and take a >> vacation is not possible with the current availability of EV's out there. >> > >> > Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual cost of >> the vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I like to buy used >> vehicles with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10 grand(usually a >> lot less) and pay cash for them. I haven't had a car payment in over 15 >> years and do not want to be forced in to having to do so. With getting >> closer to retirement age every year, I do not want to be forced in to >> incurring debt. For me the goal is to be debt free, not have to fork over >> 30 grand or more just to be able to continue to transport myself around. >> People making decisions like no more gas engines for lawn mowers and such, >> they tend to live in some sort of state of constant debt, if they are in >> government they have no concept of not being in debt. Most will think I am >> crazy for thinking this way because society just wants to accept that debt >> is a necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing and converting to EV's >> and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not being fairly >> considered in the process. >> > >> > Thank you, >> > Brian Webster >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews >> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >> > >> > There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube. Seems >> > like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain... >> > >> > On 2/14/22 09:56, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with the >> EV’s >> >> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have often >> >> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and how it >> >> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in >> >> January and February. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Brandon >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> >> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >> >> >> >> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery tech >> >> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> >> >> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are also >> >> better at torque than diesel and gasoline. >> >> >> >> Where they don't shine is range when actually working. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> <mailto: >> [email protected]> >> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >> >> >> >> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to 1 gallon >> >> of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH >> >> batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more) on the >> rough >> >> equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> >> >> The funny thing is that while diesel has superior performance >> to >> >> gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior performance to diesel >> >> in many ways. >> >> >> >> Kinda ironic... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>< >> https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> *From: *"Bill Prince" <[email protected]> >> >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> *To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM >> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >> >> >> >> It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage for people >> >> who think EVs are the devil's spawn. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote: >> >> >> >> In the past year I've observed that agressive driving >> seems >> >> to be the norm now. More assholes, especially pickups >> using >> >> farm diesel (black-foul-smelling-smoke). I been thinking >> of >> >> investing in a stash of bumper stickers to stick on their >> >> trucks that says "shoot me please". >> >> >> >> On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote: >> >> >> >> Its possible that with the lower threshold more folks >> >> were able to be arrested before they couldgo fora >> >> croaker cruise. >> >> >> >> Its more probable though that ride sharing grew during >> >> that period and the generation of party drinkers used >> it >> >> more as a matter of trend. >> >> >> >> Drinking establishments being closed or otherwise >> >> inaccessible due to the rona too probably playeda huge >> >> role, like the seeming disappearance of flu. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> During Covid, in Utah, there have been the highest >> >> rate of deaths ever recorded due to car crashes. >> >> >> >> Meanwhile, at approximately the same time another >> >> experiment was running. >> >> >> >> Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood alcohol level for >> >> driving from .08 to .05%. >> >> >> >> Many, including myself, figured that there would >> not >> >> be a significant difference. >> >> >> >> But I also commented at the time that this one >> will >> >> be easy to prove or disprove. >> >> >> >> Deaths and crashes linked to drunken driving >> dropped >> >> by 19.8% since the law took effect. 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