The spent fuel is no longer a major issue since the gen3 reactors will reuse the old spent fuel, 96% of it, so theres no real new waste for the foreseeable future, but I assume the gen3 spent will be way mor radioactive.
Around here its definitely bean and food corn crop being built over. I dont know what the miles per acre ethanol/vs solar is. other than the spent fuel and irradiated containment, the volume of toxic output over the reactor life of 80 years, the entire solar/wind will have gone through a minimum 3 iterations of toxic landfill waste. Nuclear has had 3 total incidents, all three were human arrogance gone awry. Id like to think the safeguards, particularly in the gen 3 reactors will all but eliminate those, and none of the terrible outcomes were as bad as they were presented, even chernobyl. (still terrible, just not what we were told they were and would be) I personally think data centers should be banned in all metropolitan radius and be mandated to build small footprint gen3 reactors that provide 150% of their demand, with the 50% being distributed to the infrastructure at no gain to the datacenter, as opposed to the current modality where they get bulk rate discounts that we end consumers suffer increased rates for due to supply and demand. The leftards should love my plan, its socialism of the power grid, the evil billionaire megacorporations paying their fair share, but lets face facts here, libiots are fucking liars and have no interest in actually doing any of the garbage they spout out. Hell let Excelon operate them so the ninnys who would wine about "private" ownership of reactors dont get their twat snot all over their panties. Sure it will be 5 to 10 years and we have to bang the fat girl we took home til then, but with actual, rational planning, we would be on the verge of no longer suffering power shortages in under a decade. But who wants to actually solve problems, amirite? On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 11:44 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > I think the waste (spent fuel) disposal issue was bigger than people > remember. Big NIMBY problem. Remember Yucca Mountain? > > > > The other issue is commissioning time and cost. You can spin up a solar > farm in like 6 months, with almost no regulatory issues unless you need a > zoning variance. Just make a deal with the landowners. I’ll drive by a > field and see some pickup trucks and a crew putting in stakes, a month > later I drive by and there are solar panels, and a month after that it’s > hooked up to the grid. After the fact people will whine on Facebook they > are taking good farmland for solar, but actually that land grew corn to > make into ethanol for blending with gasoline. So you can grow corn to fuel > gasoline cars or grow electricity to fuel EVs. Different means, same > result. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2025 11:30 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: now we're blowing up boats in the > Pacific > > > > Don't forget Chernobyl. > > The exclusion zone around Chernobyl is a restricted area in Ukraine and > Belarus established after the 1986 nuclear disaster, with an initial radius > of about 30 kilometers (18.6 miles) that was later expanded. Today, it > covers an area of approximately 1,600 square miles (4,143 square km) in > Ukraine, with a separate zone on the Belarusian side called the Polesie > State Radioecological Reserve. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 10/27/2025 9:14 AM, Robert wrote: > > Nuclear, A handful of acres... Now who's smoking crack... Try at least > 2 miles square with buffer zones and towers and aux facilities... Diablo > Canyon, which is a more recent plant, doesn't need towers due to ocean > water cooling, and it's exclusion area is 2 miles on a side. Now if you > want to talk pie in the sky they are saying the new plants, which there are > none, are going to be 1/2 mile exclusion. But again, you want to > live/work within that space? > > Solar isn't any worse than Nuk and a whole lot less support facilities and > no shutting down the land use for the next 50-100 years. Some solar > facilities are being raised off the ground by 10 feet to make the areas > below usable, which is a benefit to the land owner. > > Around N. Nevada, the electrical companies are throwing up panels left and > right. Getting BLM land isn't that expensive and the power goes right next > door to the server farms. > > Redwood Industries, the massive lithium recycling company is taking the > battery packs that are 99% ok and fixing the couple bad cells and packaging > them into lower cost power banks in containers. > > My knock on Solar is that the weather is getting worse and the damage to > the facilities is, in a lot of cases, worked around instead of being > repaired. Easier to just throw up more area than repair large scale damage > for a year because old panels are a pita to fix... > > On 10/27/25 7:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > > AIs don't smoke. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 10/26/2025 5:34 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > How much meth was smoked before this post? > > > > You ever see the land lease and neigbor contacts on these? > > > > Nuclear, a handful of acres > > > > Same solar 4 to 6000 acres > > > > Same wind 100s of square miles > > > > 24x7 vs good times > > > > Once we bust the NRC and get gen3 reactors online, we will start giving > salmon their habitat back > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2025, 12:29 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > > Petro-dollars are quickly becoming worthless. We've reached the point > where renewables (mainly solar) are the fastest, cheapest way to get power > to the grid. That will be the main driver going forward. Just in the first > half of this year China has put up over 200 GW of solar power. That is > roughly equivalent to 200 nuclear reactors. They did that in six months, > and it would have taken decades if it was nuclear. > > A barrel of oil is now around $60, and we are going into a glut, which > will drive the price of oil downward. If the price gets much below $50, > then all of a sudden all the shale-oil becomes a loser, and will get shut > down. > > It will be interesting how this plays out, but I'm not betting on oil. > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 10/25/2025 5:30 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote: > > It doesn't work that way. The petrol-dollar assholes will just get the > government to make it illegal and force us to use gas. > > On 10/24/25 19:46, Steve Jones wrote: > > George and Gracie did a skit > > "If we had some eggs, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some ham" > > > > On Fri, Oct 24, 2025, 12:05 PM Robert <[email protected]> wrote: > > IF we actually got functioning Fusion, the greatest benefit would be being > able to just forget about all these places... Take away the petrodollar > and they would blow away in the desert winds... > > On 10/24/25 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Yemen has a 10 year old civil war, partly a proxy war between Iran and the > Saudis. Yemen was formed by the merger of North Yemen and South Yemen, the > latter was a former British colony. > > > > The Houthis are technically a “movement” but they control the capital and > much of the territory and have their own government structure. The > internationally recognized and Saudi supported government moved to Adan in > the south after the Houthi revolution or coup. It looks to me like the > split might be roughly the former North Yemen under control of the Houthis > and the former South Yemen under control of the internationally recognized > government. I seem to remember that the Houthis were threatening to take > control of the whole country when the Saudis intervened. But the Saudis > were mainly just bombing stuff. > > > > The Houthis are Iranian puppets so you could compare them to Hezbollah, > but maybe more like revolutionaries, they control a good chunk of Yemen. > Not nice people. > > > > But Yemen is a mess. I think I read the British left because of > widespread terrorism and that was decades ago. If a giant sinkhole > swallowed the whole place, we would probably say good riddance. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf > Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 10:08 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific > > > > Are the Houthis an actual country, or just another Al-Qaeda kind of group? > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 10/24/2025 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > So are the Houthis justified sinking vessels in the Red Sea from companies > and countries that support Israel’s war in Gaza? > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *On Behalf > Of *Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 9:40 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific > > > > The Daily had a really good bit on this yesterday. Not particularly about > blowing up boats but about the competing interests in the Trump > administration re Venezuela. It's a great 30 min listen. > > > > Background: Maduro lost the last election in a landslide (30%/70%) but > refused to cede power. > > > > TLDL: > > Trump wanted to cut a deal and was working on it but Rubio won out and is > focused on regime change. > > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/podcasts/the-daily/us-venezuela-maduro-boat-attacks.html > > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 9:33 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Heh > > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2025, 9:13 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > > Might be safer to have a Maple Leaf flag. You could always run the stars > and bars, at least they would presume you would be armed and would fight. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh > *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 7:41 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific > > > > So that American flag on the back is going to protect me from the various > other countries that decide to even up the score? > > > > > > On Oct 23, 2025, at 9:10 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Stop smuggling and you will be just fine…. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh > *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 6:57 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific > > > > Someday I would really like to be able to sail around the Caribbean and > South America without having to worry about being randomly blown out of the > water for no reason at all. “Well, the US said it was OK to kill people > in international waters”. > > > > Mark > > > > On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM, Jason McKemie < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > It seems very telling that when they blew up a boat and people survived, > they sent them back to their home country vs prosecuting them. You can't > introduce that testimony into the public record. > > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > Replying to myself, which is perhaps a sign I should be in therapy, but I > just realized one reason why the Coast Guard is underappreciated or at > least unknown compared to Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. They are part > of DHS not DOD. > > > > But now that DOD is calling itself the Department of War, maybe DHS is > just fine. Although one is Hegseth and the other is Noem, so flip a coin. > > > > Coast Guard is also much smaller, has a smaller budget, and a much smaller > PR budget. No money to toot their own horn. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 10:50 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific > > > > Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean, I’d prefer to see a Hawaii Five 0 style > chase. With McGarrett in a speedboat, and at the end he says “book ‘em, > Danno”. > > > > Besides, I think the Coasties are an underappreciated branch of the US > military. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 8:31 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific > > > > I prefer to see cartels bombed. When they started moving the fent, they > chose bombs. A little nose candy here and there, some dope, a little > crystal, even some heroin was manageable. But these ducks decided to move > shit that one mistake kills. Fuckbag dealers are putting it it club drugs > and on vicodins. Kids don't have a chance to make a mistake. > > > > Bomb the shit out of them. Sink their boats, cut their life jackets, chum > the waters, I don't care as long as they die. They don't want to give our > kids a second chance, their adults deserve as terrible a death as possible. > Idgaf about human rights, they don't, and I have no interest in the high > road. > > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM Dev <[email protected]> wrote: > > Turns out drug dealers sometimes get shot, who knew? Maybe they were > delivering critical supplies to orphanages, because speedboats with three > engines mean urgent care is being delivered expeditiously? > > > > On Oct 22, 2025, at 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Article on the latest generation of US Coast Guard “Over The Horizon” > boats. > > > https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat > > > > Generally deployed from a ramp on the back of a larger cutter along with > helicopters. These things vaguely remind me of the WWII PT boats. > > > > I would not want to try and outrun the Coast Guard. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 4:24 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific > > > > Yes, and that's the primary argument against this practice. If we have > solid intel that they're carrying drugs, and we know where they are, then > as soon as they enter our territorial waters we can board the boat and > arrest them. The Coast Guard doesn't need a warrant or even a specific > reason to board a boat. Some of those boats are faster than Cutters, but I > don't have solid info on how often they actually escape when they're > already being tracked. It's hard to imagine they really get away often > because the Coast Guard also has helicopters, and they're allowed to > continue a pursuit into international waters (and onto land) as long as the > pursuit started in US waters. > > > > Regardless of how often they really get away, it's not normal to blow up > someone's boat as a law enforcement action. We also don't execute drug > traffickers, and even when the state executes someone there's a trial > first. > > > > but..... > > 1. post-911 we treat foreign terrorist organizations as enemy > combatants > > > 1. the executive branch gets to decide who counts as an FTO. The sec > of state, sec of treasury, and attorney general all have to agree, but they > also all have the same boss. > > > 1. Nobody can really stop the executive branch from declaring an FTO. > > > 1. Congress could pass a bill to override someone's listing as an FTO, > but to date they've never done it. > > > 1. The courts could overturn an FTO listing, but for a lot of reasons > it's almost impossible. > > > > > > So effectively the President and/or their cabinet has a completely legal > pathway to authorize military force against just about anyone, and there's > very little anyone can do about it. It's not that I have sympathy for drug > smugglers, it's that all we can do is take someone's word for it that it > was a drug smuggler. If anyone is totally comfortable with that then I'm > curious what your rationale is. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Ken Hohhof < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2025 3:00 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific > > > > *https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361 > <https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361>* > > > > I thought the Coast Guard was able to intercept boats and board them, > arrest people and confiscate cargo. 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