Yemen has a 10 year old civil war, partly a proxy war
between Iran and the Saudis. Yemen was formed by the
merger of North Yemen and South Yemen, the latter was a
former British colony.
The Houthis are technically a “movement” but they control
the capital and much of the territory and have their own
government structure. The internationally recognized and
Saudi supported government moved to Adan in the south
after the Houthi revolution or coup. It looks to me like
the split might be roughly the former North Yemen under
control of the Houthis and the former South Yemen under
control of the internationally recognized government. I
seem to remember that the Houthis were threatening to
take control of the whole country when the Saudis
intervened. But the Saudis were mainly just bombing stuff.
The Houthis are Iranian puppets so you could compare them
to Hezbollah, but maybe more like revolutionaries, they
control a good chunk of Yemen. Not nice people.
But Yemen is a mess. I think I read the British left
because of widespread terrorism and that was decades
ago. If a giant sinkhole swallowed the whole place, we
would probably say good riddance.
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 10:08 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the
Pacific
Are the Houthis an actual country, or just another
Al-Qaeda kind of group?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/24/2025 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So are the Houthis justified sinking vessels in the
Red Sea from companies and countries that support
Israel’s war in Gaza?
*From:*AF <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Carl
Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2025 9:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in
the Pacific
The Daily had a really good bit on this yesterday.
Not particularly about blowing up boats but about the
competing interests in the Trump administration re
Venezuela. It's a great 30 min listen.
Background: Maduro lost the last election in a
landslide (30%/70%) but refused to cede power.
TLDL:
Trump wanted to cut a deal and was working on it but
Rubio won out and is focused on regime change.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/23/podcasts/the-daily/us-venezuela-maduro-boat-attacks.html
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 9:33 PM Steve Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:
Heh
On Thu, Oct 23, 2025, 9:13 PM Chuck McCown
<[email protected]> wrote:
Might be safer to have a Maple Leaf flag. You
could always run the stars and bars, at least
they would presume you would be armed and
would fight.
*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]]
*On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 7:41 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up
boats in the Pacific
So that American flag on the back is going to
protect me from the various other countries
that decide to even up the score?
On Oct 23, 2025, at 9:10 PM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected]> wrote:
Stop smuggling and you will be just fine….
*From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On
Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
*Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2025 6:57 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing
up boats in the Pacific
Someday I would really like to be able to
sail around the Caribbean and South
America without having to worry about
being randomly blown out of the water for
no reason at all. “Well, the US said it
was OK to kill people in international
waters”.
Mark
On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM, Jason
McKemie
<[email protected]> wrote:
It seems very telling that when they
blew up a boat and people survived,
they sent them back to their home
country vs prosecuting them. You
can't introduce that testimony into
the public record.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM Ken
Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
Replying to myself, which is
perhaps a sign I should be in
therapy, but I just realized one
reason why the Coast Guard is
underappreciated or at least
unknown compared to Army, Navy,
Air Force and Marines. They are
part of DHS not DOD.
But now that DOD is calling
itself the Department of War,
maybe DHS is just fine. Although
one is Hegseth and the other is
Noem, so flip a coin.
Coast Guard is also much smaller,
has a smaller budget, and a much
smaller PR budget. No money to
toot their own horn.
*From:*AF
<[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22,
2025 10:50 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're
blowing up boats in the Pacific
Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean,
I’d prefer to see a Hawaii Five 0
style chase. With McGarrett in a
speedboat, and at the end he says
“book ‘em, Danno”.
Besides, I think the Coasties are
an underappreciated branch of the
US military.
*From:*AF
<[email protected]> *On
Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 22,
2025 8:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] now we're
blowing up boats in the Pacific
I prefer to see cartels bombed.
When they started moving the
fent, they chose bombs. A little
nose candy here and there, some
dope, a little crystal, even some
heroin was manageable. But these
ducks decided to move shit that
one mistake kills. Fuckbag
dealers are putting it it club
drugs and on vicodins. Kids don't
have a chance to make a mistake.
Bomb the shit out of them. Sink
their boats, cut their life
jackets, chum the waters, I don't
care as long as they die. They
don't want to give our kids a
second chance, their adults
deserve as terrible a death as
possible. Idgaf about human
rights, they don't, and I have no
interest in the high road.
On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM Dev
<[email protected]> wrote:
Turns out drug dealers
sometimes get shot, who knew?
Maybe they were delivering
critical supplies to
orphanages, because
speedboats with three engines
mean urgent care is being
delivered expeditiously?
On Oct 22, 2025, at
3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]> wrote:
Article on the latest
generation of US Coast
Guard “Over The Horizon”
boats.
https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat
Generally deployed from a
ramp on the back of a
larger cutter along with
helicopters. These things
vaguely remind me of the
WWII PT boats.
I would not want to try
and outrun the Coast Guard.
*From:* AF
<[email protected]>
*On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday,
October 22, 2025 4:24 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group'
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]
now we're blowing up
boats in the Pacific
Yes, and that's the
primary argument against
this practice. If we
have solid intel that
they're carrying drugs,
and we know where they
are, then as soon as they
enter our territorial
waters we can board the
boat and arrest them.
The Coast Guard doesn't
need a warrant or even a
specific reason to board
a boat. Some of those
boats are faster than
Cutters, but I don't have
solid info on how often
they actually escape when
they're already being
tracked. It's hard to
imagine they really get
away often because the
Coast Guard also has
helicopters, and they're
allowed to continue a
pursuit into
international waters (and
onto land) as long as the
pursuit started in US waters.
Regardless of how often
they really get away,
it's not normal to blow
up someone's boat as a
law enforcement action.
We also don't execute
drug traffickers, and
even when the state
executes someone there's
a trial first.
but.....
1. post-911 we treat
foreign terrorist
organizations as
enemy combatants
1. the executive branch
gets to decide who
counts as an FTO.
The sec of state, sec
of treasury, and
attorney general all
have to agree, but
they also all have
the same boss.
1. Nobody can really
stop the executive
branch from declaring
an FTO.
1. Congress could
pass a bill to
override
someone's listing
as an FTO, but to
date they've
never done it.
1. The courts could
overturn an FTO
listing, but for
a lot of reasons
it's almost
impossible.
So effectively the
President and/or their
cabinet has a completely
legal pathway to
authorize military force
against just about
anyone, and there's very
little anyone can do
about it. It's not that I
have sympathy for drug
smugglers, it's that all
we can do is take
someone's word for it
that it was a drug
smuggler. If anyone is
totally comfortable with
that then I'm curious
what your rationale is.
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*From:* AF
<[email protected]>
on behalf of Ken Hohhof
<[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday,
October 22, 2025 3:00 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group'
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] now
we're blowing up boats in
the Pacific
_https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361
<https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361>_
I thought the Coast Guard
was able to intercept
boats and board them,
arrest people and
confiscate cargo. I seem
to remember they
specifically acquired
high speed boats that
were a match for anything
a drug runner might have.
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