So that American flag on the back is going to protect me from the various other countries that decide to even up the score?
> On Oct 23, 2025, at 9:10 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > > Stop smuggling and you will be just fine…. > > From: AF [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2025 6:57 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific > > Someday I would really like to be able to sail around the Caribbean and South > America without having to worry about being randomly blown out of the water > for no reason at all. “Well, the US said it was OK to kill people in > international waters”. > > Mark > > >> On Oct 23, 2025, at 1:31 AM, Jason McKemie <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> It seems very telling that when they blew up a boat and people survived, >> they sent them back to their home country vs prosecuting them. You can't >> introduce that testimony into the public record. >> >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 11:44 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Replying to myself, which is perhaps a sign I should be in therapy, but I >>> just realized one reason why the Coast Guard is underappreciated or at >>> least unknown compared to Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. They are part >>> of DHS not DOD. >>> >>> But now that DOD is calling itself the Department of War, maybe DHS is just >>> fine. Although one is Hegseth and the other is Noem, so flip a coin. >>> >>> Coast Guard is also much smaller, has a smaller budget, and a much smaller >>> PR budget. No money to toot their own horn. >>> >>> From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On >>> Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2025 10:50 PM >>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>> >>> Yeah, but if it’s on the ocean, I’d prefer to see a Hawaii Five 0 style >>> chase. With McGarrett in a speedboat, and at the end he says “book ‘em, >>> Danno”. >>> >>> Besides, I think the Coasties are an underappreciated branch of the US >>> military. >>> >>> From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On >>> Behalf Of Steve Jones >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2025 8:31 PM >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>> >>> I prefer to see cartels bombed. When they started moving the fent, they >>> chose bombs. A little nose candy here and there, some dope, a little >>> crystal, even some heroin was manageable. But these ducks decided to move >>> shit that one mistake kills. Fuckbag dealers are putting it it club drugs >>> and on vicodins. Kids don't have a chance to make a mistake. >>> >>> Bomb the shit out of them. Sink their boats, cut their life jackets, chum >>> the waters, I don't care as long as they die. They don't want to give our >>> kids a second chance, their adults deserve as terrible a death as possible. >>> Idgaf about human rights, they don't, and I have no interest in the high >>> road. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 22, 2025, 6:45 PM Dev <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Turns out drug dealers sometimes get shot, who knew? Maybe they were >>>> delivering critical supplies to orphanages, because speedboats with three >>>> engines mean urgent care is being delivered expeditiously? >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Oct 22, 2025, at 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Article on the latest generation of US Coast Guard “Over The Horizon” >>>>> boats. >>>>> https://www.workboat.com/shipbuilding/test-driving-the-coast-guard-s-new-over-the-horizon-cutter-boat >>>>> >>>>> Generally deployed from a ramp on the back of a larger cutter along with >>>>> helicopters. These things vaguely remind me of the WWII PT boats. >>>>> >>>>> I would not want to try and outrun the Coast Guard. >>>>> >>>>> From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Adam Moffett >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2025 4:24 PM >>>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>>>> >>>>> Yes, and that's the primary argument against this practice. If we have >>>>> solid intel that they're carrying drugs, and we know where they are, then >>>>> as soon as they enter our territorial waters we can board the boat and >>>>> arrest them. The Coast Guard doesn't need a warrant or even a specific >>>>> reason to board a boat. Some of those boats are faster than Cutters, but >>>>> I don't have solid info on how often they actually escape when they're >>>>> already being tracked. It's hard to imagine they really get away often >>>>> because the Coast Guard also has helicopters, and they're allowed to >>>>> continue a pursuit into international waters (and onto land) as long as >>>>> the pursuit started in US waters. >>>>> >>>>> Regardless of how often they really get away, it's not normal to blow up >>>>> someone's boat as a law enforcement action. We also don't execute drug >>>>> traffickers, and even when the state executes someone there's a trial >>>>> first. >>>>> >>>>> but..... >>>>> post-911 we treat foreign terrorist organizations as enemy combatants >>>>> the executive branch gets to decide who counts as an FTO. The sec of >>>>> state, sec of treasury, and attorney general all have to agree, but they >>>>> also all have the same boss. >>>>> Nobody can really stop the executive branch from declaring an FTO. >>>>> Congress could pass a bill to override someone's listing as an FTO, but >>>>> to date they've never done it. >>>>> The courts could overturn an FTO listing, but for a lot of reasons it's >>>>> almost impossible. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So effectively the President and/or their cabinet has a completely legal >>>>> pathway to authorize military force against just about anyone, and >>>>> there's very little anyone can do about it. It's not that I have >>>>> sympathy for drug smugglers, it's that all we can do is take someone's >>>>> word for it that it was a drug smuggler. If anyone is totally >>>>> comfortable with that then I'm curious what your rationale is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> on >>>>> behalf of Ken Hohhof <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2025 3:00 PM >>>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] now we're blowing up boats in the Pacific >>>>> >>>>> https://x.com/SecWar/status/1981049943306752361 >>>>> >>>>> I thought the Coast Guard was able to intercept boats and board them, >>>>> arrest people and confiscate cargo. I seem to remember they specifically >>>>> acquired high speed boats that were a match for anything a drug runner >>>>> might have. >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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