There is zero evidence that Pretti was picking a fight. He had a handgun on him, it was holstered until the ICE officer removed it himself. Where are the 2nd amendment people on this? Now carrying a weapon (legally, mind you) around law enforcement is justification for deadly force? I've watched a couple of the recordings and the administration is outright lying about this. Full stop.
On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 5:49 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF < [email protected]> wrote: > Trump Bad, Trump Good, ICE Bad, ICE Good, Renee Bystander, Renee Domestic > Terrorist, Alex Bystander, Alex Domestic Terrorist. It is pointless to > discuss these topics. People are too far entrenched in their opinions. > Nothing one side can say will ever change the mind of the other side. The > two sides will watch the exact same videos and come up with polar opposite > opinions of what happened. Even if something is proven as complete fact by > one side, it will be dismissed as false news or a cover up by the other > side. > > > > My question is why Minnesota, specifically Minneapolis and St. Paul. Why > has it become so violent and filled with hate just there. We do not see > this level of hate anywhere else in the country. ICE seems to be making > arrests without incident all around the rest of the country. > > > > What makes an intelligent man (ICU Nurse) decide he is going to grab his > gun and go fight ICE agents. What happen to this man's thought process? > Does anyone here have that level of hate where they will decide to grab > their gun and venture out in sub-zero weather looking to pick a fight with > armed ICE agents? > > > > When did it become acceptable to storm a church during a service? Protest > outside if you want, but storming in during a service. Where did this hate > come from. Trump or Waltz, depends what side you are on. I pretty sure > the people storming the church had more hate than the people inside the > church in this case. > > > > The ICE agents are there to do a job, like it or not. I don't understand > when it became acceptable to interfere in an arrest that you know nothing > about. You may agree or disagree with Trump's policies, but that does not > mean you can interfere with law enforcement doing their job. Like it or > not, believe it or not, they are arresting some bad people. They also are > making some questionable arrests. But being an "observer" that knows > nothing about what the arrest is about and interfering in not the answer. > > > > This is only going to get worst. The ICE agents are very skittish with > good reason. One could argue that in most situations they may be in fear > of their lives. It is just a matter of time before an ICE agent is > killed. There will be more "observer" deaths. Some will celebrate while > others rage. End of the day it is very sad whenever someone dies for no > good reason. > > > > Some will say Trump just has to back down, others will say Waltz needs to > get control of his State. I fear neither of these men will do this and > more deaths will result. > > > > Blame whoever you want, continue the name calling, continue the fear > mongering, fuel the hate, It is truly a sad time in our history. > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Mark mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> > > <https://www.Myakka.com> > > > ------ > > > Sunday, January 25, 2026, 3:01:58 PM, you wrote: > > > So what I am hearing from you, Chuck, between the lines, is that you abet > the murder of Alex Pretti? That the actions of ICE in MN is ok because of > the premise of removing "illegal" immigrants? > > Come on I thought you understood that the legitimacy of a small good isn't > justification of evil. The lies that were put forth right off the bat in > the murder of Alex are not, in any circumstance, justifiable. Not to > someone who truly believes the Mormon religion. > > I am not Mormon, but a large part of my family is. And they are some of > the best people I am related to. > > I stay in this shit filled room because I believe that just leaving > doesn't do anything to clean up the crap. > > Your saying that part of what DJT does justifies the rest of what he does > sounds like those who looked the other way in Germany in 1936. OH look he > has saved the economy and built the autobahn. Look deeper into the > government and economy that Hitler built and you find it was all debt > financing and without the war is was just about to destroy itself. And > guess what is going on in the US right now. EXACTLY THE SAME. > > I consider myself centrist. But there is now and never a way to justify > the way that ICE is violating the constitution and the blessing of that by > the current administration. This has nothing to do with previous > administrations except for the contribution that they had in creating > justifications for people to create what we have Now.. Now we have to be > clear that what is going on is NOT ok. And being indifferent to it is > abetting it. Going and saying that people who are being aghast at what is > going on have TDS is saying you are on the side of the federal government > taking people filming or helping someone up off the street and killing them > is a country that is good with you. Basically you are agreeing with the > tenants of a National Socialist Workers Party. And that anyone who isn't > is subject to Jail and death. You can kick me out of this group if you > want but taunting me to leave or shut up isn't going to work. That's what > bullies do. > > I am directing this to you, Chuck, because you are/were the heart of this > list. The members here are hear because of what you gathered around you, > very much including me. To find out you bless someone of what DJT does > makes it alright for what else he does sounds like the teasings of the > devil have embraced you. And that makes me sad. > > On 1/25/26 8:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > I used to believe that the big L Democrats, AKA "party of the elites" were > full of educated, well read, literate, urbane, compassionate basket weavers > – But when one does ad hominim postings like this, devoid of example and > cogent argument – kinda proves the point that big L TDS folk are more > hateful and ignorant than the illiterate, unwashed, toothless, rednecked, > guns and god, deplorables. > > > > QED > > > > But yet you remain in the shit filled room… odd. > > > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Dietrich Rushing via AF > *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2026 8:05 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* Dietrich Rushing <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland > > > > When your in a shit fill room, aren't the smartest people the ones who > leave first? > > Hard to think anyone with a brain would ever support Trump or MAGA. > > All the calls for "no talk of politics" is delusional when its this > impactful to everyones lives, typically spewed by "the right" cowards and > other deplorables who can't defend their positions. > > On 1/24/26 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > If I did move the list to my own servers it would probably update faster…. > But I am lazy….. > > Interesting, seems only liberals get pissed and leave. I wonder what a > sociologist would have to say about that… > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:19 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland > > > > Yeah…. I love a good pot stir. > > > > I think you would fail the Turing test for the wrong reasons though… > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:05 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland > > > > Especially with AIs like me stirring the pot. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 1/24/2026 8:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > You got three choices” > > > > Take your own advice and “don’t post this political shit. “ > > Because it is all opinion. Full of falsehoods, rhetoric, hyperbole and > minor particles of truth totally surrounded by horseshit. Yours more than > most in my opinion. > > > > Or just sit back and enjoy the game. > > > > Or you can leave. Like you say, it is a terrible platform… Why would > you want to even hang around here… > > > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2026 7:41 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland > > > > I just went back and looked, and my first post here was in 2012. So maybe > not 20 years here, but 13. > > > > I can remember some pretty garbage times on this list every time politics > get raised, even to the point of certain people leaving, because this is a > terrible platform to trump(et) your views. Been on the internet for over 30 > years and not once have I seen sane political discourse on message boards > or social media. It's even worse with astroturfing in every direction, > literal bots riling up people in whatever direction Russia or India or > China wants. You've seen it, you've seen the bot problems on all social > media, and yet David talks about the USA standing up to Russia like they're > doing fucking anything about it. Other countries try to get rid of the > garbage social media companies from the USA and trumpster unilaterally > threatens tariffs and cries like a little baby. > > > > The fact that the USA has gone so far down the path that you literally > have a man who apparently can do whatever they want with no consequences is > the broke brain part of my statements. A literal rapist, thief. Cool. Nice > job. You guys did it. Build the wall and ya'll can sort each-other out. > > > > Pick and choose your platforms, figure out what is real and what isn't. Go > talk to people in the physical world. You'll get to understand your fellow > man a lot quicker and if your aim is to make change. > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 5:51 PM Chuck <[email protected]> wrote: > > OT in the subject line frequently means political shit. Many have been > hanging here 20 years. We can bitch without having social media algorithms > listening. There is an animal farm FB group but it is unused. I think.. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jan 23, 2026, at 5:56 PM, Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > David, you are honestly clueless, there is nothing that can be said to you > to get you to see the light. This is extremely typical with your ilk. You > can see it in your responses of things like "libs" or "the left" > > > > Have a good day, stop posting political shit here. > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 4:49 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]> > wrote: > > See the response when you give a response that has thought behind it! > Libs just resort to personal insults. It's all they have. No rebuttals, > just personal attacks. Sad . . . > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2026, 7:44 PM Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote: > > <image.png> > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I disagree. I don't think our allies distrust us. They don't LIKE lots > of what Trump does, I think they see strength. I think they see "America > First" and they respect that because they understand that as the USA goes, > they go. They need a stron, unapologetic US who will stick their finger in > the face of Russia and China. They need us to be like that because they > can't/won't be like that for themselves. The European nations are all > followers - not leaders. Biden & Obama did not lead. Obama was > apologetic of the success of the US. My biggest fear is what comes AFTER > Trump? Every country in the world can't be equal. Nothing gets done. And > China and Russia aren't going to play that game. > > > > Dave > > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's still totally unnecessary, and does nothing but create confusion and > distrust. If you want our allies to distrust us, then do shit like this. > > May actually be too late. They already distrust us, and China and Russia > are loving it. Just look at what Carney said. > > Stick an arrow pointing out of his ass, and that's probably where we > should be going. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David Hannum via AF wrote: > > Even if it is what existed before, the world is on notice that we are > planning to deploy defense systems there. So yea, it's still a win and > Trump can take a victory lap (like he needs a reason . . . ) > > > > Dave > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:47 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> wrote: > > Even though it was Wednesday, I will call it a TACO day (follow the stock > market). > > There are zero details of what the "deal" is or isn't, and I'm betting > it's essentially what existed before. > > Prove me wrong. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 1/22/2026 7:43 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > > Looks like Trump got the deal he wanted. Everyone is happy :). > > Rory > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:11 AM MVTVWISPA <[email protected]> > wrote: > > David- > > > > I too read that exact information from Facebook posts word for word. > > > > *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *David Hannum via AF > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2026 3:33 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > *Cc:* David Hannum <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Greenland > > > > So many think Trump is a bully on Greenland . . . If you think he's so > terrible, you absolutely don’t know history. > > > > 1) 1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland (right > after Alaska). > > 2) WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while Denmark was > occupied. > 3) 1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it. > 4) Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for bases, > radar, missiles. > 5) Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic security & missile > defense. > 6) 2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed privately for > 150+ years. > > The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland. > It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there since the > 1800s. > Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals. > Trump didn’t invent it. His crime is he said the quiet part out loud. > > ======================= > > NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Jan. 21 at the World Economic > Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that Trump is spot on about the importance of > Greenland to security. He said, "When it comes to the Arctic, I think > President Trump is right. Other leaders in NATO are right. We need to > defend the Arctic. There are eight countries bordering on the Arctic. > Seven are members of NATO. That’s Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, > Iceland, Canada, and the U.S.,” Rutte said. > "And there’s only one country bordering on the Arctic outside NATO, and > that’s Russia. And I would argue there is a ninth country, which is China, > which is increasingly active in the Arctic region. So, President Trump and > other leaders are right, we have to do more there; we have to protect the > Arctic." > > > > Dave Hannum > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > -- > > Dietrich Rushing > > Founder & Technical Lead > > Phone: 580-297-9166 > > Six Paths Solutions > > Oklahoma | WISP | Infrastructure | MSP, Phone, and AI Solutions > > [email protected] > > www.sixpathssolutions.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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