He violently resisted arrest. You always are in the wrong and you always lose. Add gun, dead. Simple. I see the cops taking a magazine, not a gun. FAFO. Dont in LEA.
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On Jan 25, 2026, at 5:58 PM, Jason McKemie <[email protected]> wrote:
There is zero evidence that Pretti was picking a fight. He had a handgun on him, it was holstered until the ICE officer removed it himself. Where are the 2nd amendment people on this? Now carrying a weapon (legally, mind you) around law enforcement is justification for deadly force? I've watched a couple of the recordings and the administration is outright lying about this. Full stop.
On Sun, Jan 25, 2026, 5:49 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF <[email protected]> wrote:
Trump Bad, Trump Good, ICE Bad, ICE Good, Renee Bystander, Renee Domestic Terrorist, Alex Bystander, Alex Domestic Terrorist. It is pointless to discuss these topics. People are too far entrenched in their opinions. Nothing one side can say will ever change the mind of the other side. The two sides will watch the exact same videos and come up with polar opposite opinions of what happened. Even if something is proven as complete fact by one side, it will be dismissed as false news or a cover up by the other side.
My question is why Minnesota, specifically Minneapolis and St. Paul. Why has it become so violent and filled with hate just there. We do not see this level of hate anywhere else in the country. ICE seems to be making arrests without incident all around the rest of the country.
What makes an intelligent man (ICU Nurse) decide he is going to grab his gun and go fight ICE agents. What happen to this man's thought process? Does anyone here have that level of hate where they will decide to grab their gun and venture out in sub-zero weather looking to pick a fight with armed ICE agents?
When did it become acceptable to storm a church during a service? Protest outside if you want, but storming in during a service. Where did this hate come from. Trump or Waltz, depends what side you are on. I pretty sure the people storming the church had more hate than the people inside the church in this case.
The ICE agents are there to do a job, like it or not. I don't understand when it became acceptable to interfere in an arrest that you know nothing about. You may agree or disagree with Trump's policies, but that does not mean you can interfere with law enforcement doing their job. Like it or not, believe it or not, they are arresting some bad people. They also are making some questionable arrests. But being an "observer" that knows nothing about what the arrest is about and interfering in not the answer.
This is only going to get worst. The ICE agents are very skittish with good reason. One could argue that in most situations they may be in fear of their lives. It is just a matter of time before an ICE agent is killed. There will be more "observer" deaths. Some will celebrate while others rage. End of the day it is very sad whenever someone dies for no good reason.
Some will say Trump just has to back down, others will say Waltz needs to get control of his State. I fear neither of these men will do this and more deaths will result.
Blame whoever you want, continue the name calling, continue the fear mongering, fuel the hate, It is truly a sad time in our history.
So what I am hearing from you, Chuck, between the lines, is that you
abet the murder of Alex Pretti? That the actions of ICE in MN is ok
because of the premise of removing "illegal" immigrants?
Come on I thought you understood that the legitimacy of a small good
isn't justification of evil. The lies that were put forth right
off the bat in the murder of Alex are not, in any circumstance,
justifiable. Not to someone who truly believes the Mormon religion.
I am not Mormon, but a large part of my family is. And they are
some of the best people I am related to.
I stay in this shit filled room because I believe that just leaving
doesn't do anything to clean up the crap.
Your saying that part of what DJT does justifies the rest of what he
does sounds like those who looked the other way in Germany in
1936. OH look he has saved the economy and built the autobahn.
Look deeper into the government and economy that Hitler built and
you find it was all debt financing and without the war is was just
about to destroy itself. And guess what is going on in the US
right now. EXACTLY THE SAME.
I consider myself centrist. But there is now and never a way to
justify the way that ICE is violating the constitution and the
blessing of that by the current administration. This has nothing
to do with previous administrations except for the contribution that
they had in creating justifications for people to create what we
have Now.. Now we have to be clear that what is going on is NOT
ok. And being indifferent to it is abetting it. Going and saying
that people who are being aghast at what is going on have TDS is
saying you are on the side of the federal government taking people
filming or helping someone up off the street and killing them is a
country that is good with you. Basically you are agreeing with the
tenants of a National Socialist Workers Party. And that anyone who
isn't is subject to Jail and death. You can kick me out of this
group if you want but taunting me to leave or shut up isn't going to
work. That's what bullies do.
I am directing this to you, Chuck, because you are/were the heart of
this list. The members here are hear because of what you gathered
around you, very much including me. To find out you bless someone
of what DJT does makes it alright for what else he does sounds like
the teasings of the devil have embraced you. And that makes me
sad.
On 1/25/26 8:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I used to
believe that the big L Democrats, AKA "party of the elites"
were full of educated, well read, literate, urbane,
compassionate basket weavers – But when one does ad hominim
postings like this, devoid of example and cogent argument –
kinda proves the point that big L TDS folk are more hateful
and ignorant than the illiterate, unwashed, toothless,
rednecked, guns and god, deplorables.
When your in a shit fill room, aren't the smartest people the
ones who leave first?
Hard to think anyone with a brain would ever support Trump or
MAGA.
All the calls for "no talk of politics" is delusional when its
this impactful to everyones lives, typically spewed by "the
right" cowards and other deplorables who can't defend their
positions.
On 1/24/26 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
If
I did move the list to my own servers it would probably
update faster…. But I am lazy…..
Interesting,
seems only liberals get pissed and leave. I wonder what a
sociologist would have to say about that…
From: AF
[mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2026 10:19 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
Yeah….
I love a good pot stir.
I
think you would fail the Turing test for the wrong reasons
though…
Take
your own advice and “don’t post this political shit. “
Because
it is all opinion. Full of falsehoods, rhetoric,
hyperbole and minor particles of truth totally
surrounded by horseshit. Yours more than most in my
opinion.
Or
just sit back and enjoy the game.
Or
you can leave. Like you say, it is a terrible
platform… Why would you want to even hang around here…
From: AF
[mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Friday, January 23, 2026 7:41 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Greenland
I just went back and looked, and my
first post here was in 2012. So maybe not 20 years here,
but 13.
I can remember some pretty garbage
times on this list every time politics get raised,
even to the point of certain people leaving, because
this is a terrible platform to trump(et) your views.
Been on the internet for over 30 years and not once
have I seen sane political discourse on message boards
or social media. It's even worse with astroturfing in
every direction, literal bots riling up people in
whatever direction Russia or India or China wants.
You've seen it, you've seen the bot problems on all
social media, and yet David talks about the USA
standing up to Russia like they're doing fucking
anything about it. Other countries try to get rid of
the garbage social media companies from the USA and
trumpster unilaterally threatens tariffs and cries
like a little baby.
The fact that the USA has gone so
far down the path that you literally have a man who
apparently can do whatever they want with no
consequences is the broke brain part of my statements.
A literal rapist, thief. Cool. Nice job. You guys did
it. Build the wall and ya'll can sort each-other out.
Pick and choose your platforms,
figure out what is real and what isn't. Go talk to
people in the physical world. You'll get to understand
your fellow man a lot quicker and if your aim is to
make change.
OT in the subject line frequently
means political shit. Many have been hanging here
20 years. We can bitch without having social media
algorithms listening. There is an animal farm FB
group but it is unused. I think..
David, you are honestly
clueless, there is nothing that can be said
to you to get you to see the light. This is
extremely typical with your ilk. You can see
it in your responses of things like "libs"
or "the left"
Have a good day, stop
posting political shit here.
On Fri, Jan 23, 2026 at
4:49 PM David Hannum via AF <[email protected]>
wrote:
See the response when
you give a response that has thought
behind it! Libs just resort to personal
insults. It's all they have. No
rebuttals, just personal attacks. Sad
. . .
On Fri, Jan 23,
2026 at 12:25 PM David Hannum via
AF <[email protected]>
wrote:
I disagree.
I don't think our allies
distrust us. They don't LIKE
lots of what Trump does, I think
they see strength. I think they
see "America First" and they
respect that because they
understand that as the USA goes,
they go. They need a stron,
unapologetic US who will stick
their finger in the face of
Russia and China. They need us
to be like that because they
can't/won't be like that for
themselves. The European
nations are all followers - not
leaders. Biden & Obama did
not lead. Obama was
apologetic of the success of the
US. My biggest fear is what
comes AFTER Trump? Every
country in the world can't be
equal. Nothing gets done. And
China and Russia aren't going to
play that game.
Dave
On Fri, Jan
23, 2026 at 3:13 PM Bill
Prince <[email protected]> wrote:
It's still totally
unnecessary, and does
nothing but create confusion
and distrust. If you want
our allies to distrust us,
then do shit like this.
May actually be too late.
They already distrust us,
and China and Russia are
loving it. Just look at what
Carney said.
Stick an arrow pointing out
of his ass, and that's
probably where we should be
going.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On
1/22/2026 9:07 AM, David
Hannum via AF wrote:
Even
if it is what existed
before, the world is on
notice that we are
planning to deploy
defense systems there.
So yea, it's still a win
and Trump can take a
victory lap (like he
needs a reason . . . )
Dave
On
Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at
11:47 AM Bill Prince
<[email protected]> wrote:
Even though it was
Wednesday, I will
call it a TACO day
(follow the stock
market).
There are zero
details of what the
"deal" is or isn't,
and I'm betting it's
essentially what
existed before.
Prove me wrong.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On
1/22/2026 7:43 AM,
Rory Conaway
wrote:
Looks like Trump got the deal he wanted. Everyone is
happy :).
Rory
On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 7:11 AM MVTVWISPA <[email protected]>
wrote:
David-
I
too read that
exact
information
from Facebook
posts word for
word.
From: AF
<[email protected]>
On Behalf
Of David
Hannum via AF Sent:
Wednesday,
January 21,
2026 3:33 PM To:
AnimalFarm
Microwave
Users Group
<[email protected]> Cc:
David Hannum
<[email protected]> Subject:
[AFMUG] OT -
Greenland
So many think
Trump is a
bully on
Greenland . .
. If you think
he's so
terrible, you
absolutely
don’t know
history.
1) 1867 –
Andrew
Johnson:
explored
buying
Greenland
& Iceland
(right after
Alaska).
2)
WWII – FDR:
U.S. took over
Greenland’s
defense while
Denmark was
occupied.
3) 1946 –
Truman:
offered $100M
in gold to buy
it.
4) Cold War –
Eisenhower →
Kennedy:
nonstop
negotiations
for bases,
radar,
missiles.
5) Post–Cold
War –
Clinton/Bush/Obama:
expanded
Arctic
security &
missile
defense.
6) 2019 –
Trump: said
publicly what
presidents
discussed
privately for
150+ years.
The U.S.
didn’t
“suddenly”
want
Greenland.
It’s been
defending it,
negotiating
it, and
embedding
there since
the 1800s.
Greenland =
Arctic power,
shipping
lanes,
missiles,
minerals.
Trump didn’t
invent it.
His crime is
he said the
quiet part out
loud.
=======================
NATO
Secretary
General Mark
Rutte said on
Jan. 21 at the
World Economic
Forum in
Davos,
Switzerland,
that Trump is
spot on about
the importance
of Greenland
to
security. He
said, "When it
comes to the
Arctic, I
think
President
Trump is
right. Other
leaders in
NATO are
right. We need
to defend the
Arctic. There
are eight
countries
bordering on
the Arctic.
Seven are
members of
NATO. That’s
Finland,
Sweden,
Norway,
Denmark,
Iceland,
Canada, and
the U.S.,”
Rutte said.
"And there’s
only one
country
bordering on
the Arctic
outside NATO,
and that’s
Russia. And I
would argue
there is a
ninth country,
which is
China, which
is
increasingly
active in the
Arctic region.
So, President
Trump and
other leaders
are right, we
have to do
more there; we
have to
protect the
Arctic."
