Ya. All customers are stupid :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sep 29, 2015 10:21 PM, "Simon Westlake" <[email protected]> wrote:
> That's not very nice! > > On 9/29/2015 9:15 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Most customers are stupid. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:17:01 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar > > that a very non customercentric approach > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Simon Westlake <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The end game will be to enable a user to import their own data however >> they want. When we will get to that point, I'm not sure. And all the >> formatting of that data and everything else is still up in the air. >> >> I really want to let people self manage their systems though. I think >> it's incredibly frustrating to wait on someone else to go back and forth on >> something like an import, whether that data is from Platypus, Quickbooks or >> whatever it might be. And it's a lot of manpower on our side to manage all >> those imports, so it's mutually beneficial if we can make it happen. >> >> On 9/29/2015 3:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: >> >>> Also, import from Platypus? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:24 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >>> >>> This should be an interesting answer.... >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jay Weekley >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:22 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >>> >>> Does it come with an "Import From Powercode" button? >>> >>> Simon Westlake wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah. I'm not saying 'we promise, there will never be any bugs.' But, >>>> we're not putting something out and saying 'ehh, it probably works. If >>>> it doesn't, it's beta!' >>>> >>>> The whole platform is built around automated testing. Every single >>>> thing we can think of has an automated test written around it. So >>>> anytime we change anything, we can run our test suite (which already >>>> takes a very long time..) and know categorically if we've broken >>>> anything. On desktop, mobile, the API, billing, one credit card >>>> processor in particular - everything. >>>> >>>> Makes it a lot easier to say 'we're very confident this works.' >>>> >>>> I think, the other thing that is going to make this different is we're >>>> not trying to make every single thing possible for every single >>>> person. We brought an accountant on board to help design the billing >>>> system. She directed us in the application of a lot of the billing >>>> functionality so it could be reported properly and audited properly. >>>> This means it's pretty likely at some point, somebody is going to ask >>>> to do XYZ, and we're going to say no - not because we don't want to, >>>> but because we've built a system that adheres to a specific set of >>>> principles, and in the eyes of the system, deviating from those >>>> principles is fundamentally wrong. >>>> >>>> The good side of that is that things just work in a sane way, and >>>> we're really confident that anyone with an accounting background is >>>> going to be happy with the reporting and audit trail in the system. >>>> We're building the front end to be pretty simple and easy to use (you >>>> don't need to be a CPA to figure out how to bill) and that's really >>>> how we're trying to approach each part of the system - have a clear >>>> set of laws defined for how a specific system works, and then build >>>> interfaces that lets humans easily use them. >>>> >>>> On 9/29/2015 2:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: >>>> >>>>> � >>>>> read the forum / notes.� it basically says "no beta. >>>>> ever.�".��� not sure how that will work... >>>>> that's a LOT of testing for it to never be released to beta... >>>>> i mean, we all use the software in a different way... >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* Brett A Mansfield <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:30 PM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>> >>>>> Only question I have is will it be beta forever? I'm kinda done >>>>> with all of this beta crap. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No it's CALLED sonar.� Which means it doesn't have it.� >>>>>> Isn't that what all the cool clubs do? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Daniel White >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It uses Sonar.� Geesh. >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> Daniel White >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>__ >>>>>> >>>>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590> >>>>>> <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590> >>>>>> >>>>>> Skype: danieldwhite >>>>>> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>: >>>>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84> >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh >>>>>> Luthman >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:54 AM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> OK.� Why does it have a radar detector?� Does it know >>>>>> that speeding is wrong? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Simon Westlake >>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, when it detects radar, it shuts down. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/29/2015 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> When is the release date? >>>>>> >>>>>> How much processing power does it take? >>>>>> >>>>>> How does it perform in the real world? >>>>>> >>>>>> Will it do DFS? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Adam Moffett >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hah. >>>>>> Will it be more or less than Powercode? >>>>>> Will it be more or less than Platypus? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/29/2015 12:08 PM, Simon Westlake wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I can confidently say that it will cost >>>>>> more than Freeside. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/29/2015 11:07 AM, Vlad Sedov wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it more expensive than Freeside? >>>>>> >>>>>> ehheh >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Vlad >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/29/2015 10:37 AM, Simon Westlake >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll be sharing stuff on the list, >>>>>> forum and blog as time goes on. >>>>>> Nothing just yet, but we are >>>>>> bringing the first few early access >>>>>> participants in who won't be in NDA, >>>>>> so they are free to share anything >>>>>> they want as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, it's all original code built on >>>>>> completely different technology than >>>>>> Powercode was. It's a very different >>>>>> platform. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/29/2015 10:35 AM, Steve wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Can we get any more details?� >>>>>> Screen shots?� Etas?� >>>>>> Roadmaps?� Like is this a fork >>>>>> of Powercode or from the ground >>>>>> up? >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Simon Westlake" >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, >>>>>> 2015 11:04:37 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP >>>>>> Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't dare ask which part. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/29/2015 9:39 AM, Josh >>>>>> Luthman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Reminds me of Silicon Valley. >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> <tel:937-552-2340> >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> <tel:937-552-2343> >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 29, 2015 10:32 AM, >>>>>> "Lewis Bergman" >>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> � � �Maybe he got good >>>>>> advice from a lawyer. I am >>>>>> not one but my >>>>>> � � �understanding is >>>>>> that a noncompete can't be >>>>>> so broad as to prevent >>>>>> � � �future >>>>>> employment, which moving out >>>>>> of the country would >>>>>> definably >>>>>> � � �qualify as. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> � � �On Tue, Sep 29, >>>>>> 2015, 9:19 AM Keefe John >>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> � � >>>>>> >>>>>> �<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> � � � � �Maybe >>>>>> he's operating from a >>>>>> moonbase...or russia. >>>>>> >>>>>> � � � � �On >>>>>> 9/29/2015 9:16 AM, Chuck >>>>>> McCown wrote: >>>>>> � � � � �> Wonder >>>>>> how Simon is getting around >>>>>> Bertram's 5000 mile non >>>>>> � � � � �compete >>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>> exclusion zone? >>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Keefe John >>>>>> � � � � �> Sent: >>>>>> Tuesday, September 29, 2015 >>>>>> 8:14 AM >>>>>> � � � � �> To: >>>>>> Animal Farm >>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] New ISP >>>>>> Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>> � � � � �> This >>>>>> website just popped up >>>>>> today.� The product looks >>>>>> very >>>>>> � � � � �exciting! >>>>>> � � � � �> I can't >>>>>> wait to find out more about >>>>>> it. >>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>> https://sonar.software/ >>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://sonar.community/t/announcing-sonar/30 >>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>> � � � � �> Keefe >>>>>> John >>>>>> � � � � �> Ethoplex >>>>>> � � � � �> >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> � >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> Avast logo <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>>>> software. >>>>>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > >
