Most customers are stupid.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" <[email protected]>
*To: *[email protected]
*Sent: *Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:17:01 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar
that a very non customercentric approach
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Simon Westlake <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The end game will be to enable a user to import their own data
however they want. When we will get to that point, I'm not sure.
And all the formatting of that data and everything else is still
up in the air.
I really want to let people self manage their systems though. I
think it's incredibly frustrating to wait on someone else to go
back and forth on something like an import, whether that data is
from Platypus, Quickbooks or whatever it might be. And it's a lot
of manpower on our side to manage all those imports, so it's
mutually beneficial if we can make it happen.
On 9/29/2015 3:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Also, import from Platypus?
-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:24 PM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar
This should be an interesting answer....
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:22 PM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar
Does it come with an "Import From Powercode" button?
Simon Westlake wrote:
Yeah. I'm not saying 'we promise, there will never be any
bugs.' But,
we're not putting something out and saying 'ehh, it
probably works. If
it doesn't, it's beta!'
The whole platform is built around automated testing.
Every single
thing we can think of has an automated test written around
it. So
anytime we change anything, we can run our test suite
(which already
takes a very long time..) and know categorically if we've
broken
anything. On desktop, mobile, the API, billing, one credit
card
processor in particular - everything.
Makes it a lot easier to say 'we're very confident this
works.'
I think, the other thing that is going to make this
different is we're
not trying to make every single thing possible for every
single
person. We brought an accountant on board to help design
the billing
system. She directed us in the application of a lot of the
billing
functionality so it could be reported properly and audited
properly.
This means it's pretty likely at some point, somebody is
going to ask
to do XYZ, and we're going to say no - not because we
don't want to,
but because we've built a system that adheres to a
specific set of
principles, and in the eyes of the system, deviating from
those principles is fundamentally wrong.
The good side of that is that things just work in a sane
way, and
we're really confident that anyone with an accounting
background is
going to be happy with the reporting and audit trail in
the system.
We're building the front end to be pretty simple and easy
to use (you
don't need to be a CPA to figure out how to bill) and
that's really
how we're trying to approach each part of the system -
have a clear
set of laws defined for how a specific system works, and
then build
interfaces that lets humans easily use them.
On 9/29/2015 2:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
�
read the forum / notes.� it basically says "no beta.
ever.�".��� not sure how that will work...
that's a LOT of testing for it to never be released to
beta...
i mean, we all use the software in a different way...
�
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brett A Mansfield
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution:
Sonar
Only question I have is will it be beta forever?
I'm kinda done
with all of this beta crap.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Sep 29, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
No it's CALLED sonar.� Which means it
doesn't have it.�
Isn't that what all the cool clubs do?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Daniel White
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It uses Sonar.� Geesh.
�
Thank you,
�
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*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Josh
Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:54 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing
Solution: Sonar
�
OK.� Why does it have a radar
detector?� Does it know
that speeding is wrong?
�
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
<tel:937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
<tel:937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Simon
Westlake
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
Yes, when it detects radar, it shuts
down.
On 9/29/2015 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
When is the release date?
How much processing power does it
take?
How does it perform in the real
world?
Will it do DFS?
�
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
<tel:937-552-2340> <tel:937-552-2340
<tel:937-552-2340>>
Direct: 937-552-2343
<tel:937-552-2343> <tel:937-552-2343
<tel:937-552-2343>>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
�
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:39 PM,
Adam Moffett
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hah.
Will it be more or less than
Powercode?
Will it be more or less than
Platypus?
On 9/29/2015 12:08 PM, Simon
Westlake wrote:
Yes, I can confidently
say that it will cost
more than Freeside.
On 9/29/2015 11:07 AM,
Vlad Sedov wrote:
Is it more expensive
than Freeside?
ehheh
Vlad
On 9/29/2015 10:37
AM, Simon Westlake wrote:
I'll be sharing
stuff on the list,
forum and blog as
time goes on.
Nothing just yet,
but we are
bringing the
first few early access
participants in who won't be in NDA,
so they are free
to share anything
they want as well.
No, it's all
original code built on
completely
different technology than
Powercode was.
It's a very different
platform.
On 9/29/2015
10:35 AM, Steve wrote:
Can we get
any more details?�
Screen
shots?� Etas?�
Roadmaps?� Like is this a fork
of Powercode
or from the ground up?
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Original Message -----
From: "Simon
Westlake"
<[email protected]>
To:
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Sent:
Tuesday, September 29,
2015 11:04:37 AM
Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] New ISP
Billing
Solution: Sonar
I don't dare
ask which part.
On 9/29/2015
9:39 AM, Josh
Luthman wrote:
Reminds me of Silicon Valley.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
<tel:937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>>
Direct:
937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
<tel:937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH
45373
On Sep
29, 2015 10:32 AM,
"Lewis Bergman"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
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advice from a lawyer. I am
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but my
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noncompete can't be
so broad
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employment, which moving out
of the
country would definably
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2015,
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<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
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wrote:
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he's
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9/29/2015 9:16 AM, Chuck
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