Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar

Simon Westlake Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:59:27 -0700

The end game will be to enable a user to import their own data howeverthey want. When we will get to that point, I'm not sure. And all theformatting of that data and everything else is still up in the air.

I really want to let people self manage their systems though. I thinkit's incredibly frustrating to wait on someone else to go back and forthon something like an import, whether that data is from Platypus,Quickbooks or whatever it might be. And it's a lot of manpower on ourside to manage all those imports, so it's mutually beneficial if we canmake it happen.


On 9/29/2015 3:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Also, import from Platypus?

-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar

This should be an interesting answer....

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar

Does it come with an "Import From Powercode" button?

Simon Westlake wrote:

Yeah. I'm not saying 'we promise, there will never be any bugs.' But,
we're not putting something out and saying 'ehh, it probably works. If
it doesn't, it's beta!'

The whole platform is built around automated testing. Every single
thing we can think of has an automated test written around it. So
anytime we change anything, we can run our test suite (which already
takes a very long time..) and know categorically if we've broken
anything. On desktop, mobile, the API, billing, one credit card
processor in particular - everything.

Makes it a lot easier to say 'we're very confident this works.'

I think, the other thing that is going to make this different is we're
not trying to make every single thing possible for every single
person. We brought an accountant on board to help design the billing
system. She directed us in the application of a lot of the billing
functionality so it could be reported properly and audited properly.
This means it's pretty likely at some point, somebody is going to ask
to do XYZ, and we're going to say no - not because we don't want to,
but because we've built a system that adheres to a specific set of
principles, and in the eyes of the system, deviating from those principles is 
fundamentally wrong.

The good side of that is that things just work in a sane way, and
we're really confident that anyone with an accounting background is
going to be happy with the reporting and audit trail in the system.
We're building the front end to be pretty simple and easy to use (you
don't need to be a CPA to figure out how to bill) and that's really
how we're trying to approach each part of the system - have a clear
set of laws defined for how a specific system works, and then build
interfaces that lets humans easily use them.

On 9/29/2015 2:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

ï¿½
read the forum / notes.ï¿½ it basically says "no beta.
ever.ï¿½".ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ not sure how that will work...
that's a LOT of testing for it to never be released to beta...
i mean, we all use the software in a different way...
ï¿½

     ----- Original Message -----
     *From:* Brett A Mansfield <mailto:[email protected]>
     *To:* [email protected]
     *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:30 PM
     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar

     Only question I have is will it be beta forever? I'm kinda done
     with all of this beta crap.

     Thank you,
     Brett A Mansfield

     On Sep 29, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman
     <[email protected]> wrote:

     No it's CALLED sonar.ï¿½ Which means it doesn't have it.ï¿½
     Isn't that what all the cool clubs do?


     Josh Luthman
     Office: 937-552-2340
     Direct: 937-552-2343
     1100 Wayne St
     Suite 1337
     Troy, OH 45373

     On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Daniel White
     <[email protected]> wrote:

         It uses Sonar.ï¿½ Geesh.

         ï¿½

         Thank you,

         ï¿½

         Daniel White

         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>__

         Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

         Skype: danieldwhite
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         ï¿½

         *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh
         Luthman
         *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:54 AM
         *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar

         ï¿½

         OK.ï¿½ Why does it have a radar detector?ï¿½ Does it know
         that speeding is wrong?


         ï¿½

         Josh Luthman
         Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
         Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
         1100 Wayne St
         Suite 1337
         Troy, OH 45373

         ï¿½

         On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Simon Westlake
         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

             Yes, when it detects radar, it shuts down.

             On 9/29/2015 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

                 When is the release date?

                 How much processing power does it take?

                 How does it perform in the real world?

                 Will it do DFS?


                 ï¿½

                 Josh Luthman
                 Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
                 Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
                 1100 Wayne St
                 Suite 1337
                 Troy, OH 45373

                 ï¿½

                 On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Adam Moffett
                 <[email protected]> wrote:

                     Hah.
                     Will it be more or less than Powercode?
                     Will it be more or less than Platypus?




                     On 9/29/2015 12:08 PM, Simon Westlake wrote:

                         Yes, I can confidently say that it will cost
                         more than Freeside.

                         On 9/29/2015 11:07 AM, Vlad Sedov wrote:

                             Is it more expensive than Freeside?

                             ehheh


                             Vlad

                             On 9/29/2015 10:37 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

                                 I'll be sharing stuff on the list,
                                 forum and blog as time goes on.
                                 Nothing just yet, but we are
                                 bringing the first few early access
                                 participants in who won't be in NDA,
                                 so they are free to share anything
                                 they want as well.

                                 No, it's all original code built on
                                 completely different technology than
                                 Powercode was. It's a very different
                                 platform.

                                 On 9/29/2015 10:35 AM, Steve wrote:

                                     Can we get any more details?ï¿½
                                     Screen shots?ï¿½ Etas?ï¿½
                                     Roadmaps?ï¿½ Like is this a fork
                                     of Powercode or from the ground up?

                                     ----- Original Message -----
                                     From: "Simon Westlake"
                                     <[email protected]>
                                     To: [email protected]
                                     Sent: Tuesday, September 29,
                                     2015 11:04:37 AM
                                     Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP
                                     Billing Solution: Sonar

                                     I don't dare ask which part.

                                     On 9/29/2015 9:39 AM, Josh
                                     Luthman wrote:

                                         Reminds me of Silicon Valley.

                                         Josh Luthman
                                         Office: 937-552-2340
                                         <tel:937-552-2340>
                                         Direct: 937-552-2343
                                         <tel:937-552-2343>
                                         1100 Wayne St
                                         Suite 1337
                                         Troy, OH 45373

                                         On Sep 29, 2015 10:32 AM,
                                         "Lewis Bergman"
                                         <[email protected]

<mailto:[email protected]>>
                                         wrote:

                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½Maybe he got good
                                         advice from a lawyer. I am
                                         not one but my
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½understanding is
                                         that a noncompete can't be
                                         so broad as to prevent
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½future
                                         employment, which moving out
                                         of the country would definably
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½qualify as.


                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½On Tue, Sep 29,
                                         2015, 9:19 AM Keefe John
                                         <[email protected]
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½

ï¿½<mailto:[email protected]>>
                                         wrote:

                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½Maybe
                                         he's operating from a
                                         moonbase...or russia.

                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½On
                                         9/29/2015 9:16 AM, Chuck
                                         McCown wrote:
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½> Wonder
                                         how Simon is getting around
                                         Bertram's 5000 mile non
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½compete
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½>
                                         exclusion zone?
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                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½>
                                         -----Original Message-----
                                         From: Keefe John
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½> Sent:
                                         Tuesday, September 29, 2015
                                         8:14 AM
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½> To:
                                         Animal Farm
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½>
                                         Subject: [AFMUG] New ISP
                                         Billing Solution: Sonar
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½>
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½> This
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                                         today.ï¿½ The product looks very
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½exciting!
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½> I can't
                                         wait to find out more about it.
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½>
                                         ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½ ï¿½>
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