that a very non customercentric approach On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Simon Westlake <[email protected]> wrote:
> The end game will be to enable a user to import their own data however > they want. When we will get to that point, I'm not sure. And all the > formatting of that data and everything else is still up in the air. > > I really want to let people self manage their systems though. I think it's > incredibly frustrating to wait on someone else to go back and forth on > something like an import, whether that data is from Platypus, Quickbooks or > whatever it might be. And it's a lot of manpower on our side to manage all > those imports, so it's mutually beneficial if we can make it happen. > > On 9/29/2015 3:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: > >> Also, import from Platypus? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown >> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:24 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >> >> This should be an interesting answer.... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jay Weekley >> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 2:22 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >> >> Does it come with an "Import From Powercode" button? >> >> Simon Westlake wrote: >> >>> Yeah. I'm not saying 'we promise, there will never be any bugs.' But, >>> we're not putting something out and saying 'ehh, it probably works. If >>> it doesn't, it's beta!' >>> >>> The whole platform is built around automated testing. Every single >>> thing we can think of has an automated test written around it. So >>> anytime we change anything, we can run our test suite (which already >>> takes a very long time..) and know categorically if we've broken >>> anything. On desktop, mobile, the API, billing, one credit card >>> processor in particular - everything. >>> >>> Makes it a lot easier to say 'we're very confident this works.' >>> >>> I think, the other thing that is going to make this different is we're >>> not trying to make every single thing possible for every single >>> person. We brought an accountant on board to help design the billing >>> system. She directed us in the application of a lot of the billing >>> functionality so it could be reported properly and audited properly. >>> This means it's pretty likely at some point, somebody is going to ask >>> to do XYZ, and we're going to say no - not because we don't want to, >>> but because we've built a system that adheres to a specific set of >>> principles, and in the eyes of the system, deviating from those >>> principles is fundamentally wrong. >>> >>> The good side of that is that things just work in a sane way, and >>> we're really confident that anyone with an accounting background is >>> going to be happy with the reporting and audit trail in the system. >>> We're building the front end to be pretty simple and easy to use (you >>> don't need to be a CPA to figure out how to bill) and that's really >>> how we're trying to approach each part of the system - have a clear >>> set of laws defined for how a specific system works, and then build >>> interfaces that lets humans easily use them. >>> >>> On 9/29/2015 2:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: >>> >>>> � >>>> read the forum / notes.� it basically says "no beta. >>>> ever.�".��� not sure how that will work... >>>> that's a LOT of testing for it to never be released to beta... >>>> i mean, we all use the software in a different way... >>>> � >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Brett A Mansfield <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 1:30 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >>>> >>>> Only question I have is will it be beta forever? I'm kinda done >>>> with all of this beta crap. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Josh Luthman >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> No it's CALLED sonar.� Which means it doesn't have it.� >>>>> Isn't that what all the cool clubs do? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Daniel White >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It uses Sonar.� Geesh. >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> Daniel White >>>>> >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>__ >>>>> >>>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590> >>>>> >>>>> Skype: danieldwhite >>>>> Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>: >>>>> Twitter <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84> >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Josh >>>>> Luthman >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:54 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New ISP Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> OK.� Why does it have a radar detector?� Does it know >>>>> that speeding is wrong? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Simon Westlake >>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, when it detects radar, it shuts down. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/29/2015 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When is the release date? >>>>> >>>>> How much processing power does it take? >>>>> >>>>> How does it perform in the real world? >>>>> >>>>> Will it do DFS? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Adam Moffett >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hah. >>>>> Will it be more or less than Powercode? >>>>> Will it be more or less than Platypus? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/29/2015 12:08 PM, Simon Westlake wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I can confidently say that it will cost >>>>> more than Freeside. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/29/2015 11:07 AM, Vlad Sedov wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is it more expensive than Freeside? >>>>> >>>>> ehheh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Vlad >>>>> >>>>> On 9/29/2015 10:37 AM, Simon Westlake >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'll be sharing stuff on the list, >>>>> forum and blog as time goes on. >>>>> Nothing just yet, but we are >>>>> bringing the first few early access >>>>> participants in who won't be in NDA, >>>>> so they are free to share anything >>>>> they want as well. >>>>> >>>>> No, it's all original code built on >>>>> completely different technology than >>>>> Powercode was. It's a very different >>>>> platform. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/29/2015 10:35 AM, Steve wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Can we get any more details?� >>>>> Screen shots?� Etas?� >>>>> Roadmaps?� Like is this a fork >>>>> of Powercode or from the ground >>>>> up? >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Simon Westlake" >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, >>>>> 2015 11:04:37 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New ISP >>>>> Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>> >>>>> I don't dare ask which part. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/29/2015 9:39 AM, Josh >>>>> Luthman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Reminds me of Silicon Valley. >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> <tel:937-552-2340> >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> <tel:937-552-2343> >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 29, 2015 10:32 AM, >>>>> "Lewis Bergman" >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> � � �Maybe he got good >>>>> advice from a lawyer. I am >>>>> not one but my >>>>> � � �understanding is >>>>> that a noncompete can't be >>>>> so broad as to prevent >>>>> � � �future >>>>> employment, which moving out >>>>> of the country would definably >>>>> � � �qualify as. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> � � �On Tue, Sep 29, >>>>> 2015, 9:19 AM Keefe John >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> � � >>>>> >>>>> �<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> � � � � �Maybe >>>>> he's operating from a >>>>> moonbase...or russia. >>>>> >>>>> � � � � �On >>>>> 9/29/2015 9:16 AM, Chuck >>>>> McCown wrote: >>>>> � � � � �> Wonder >>>>> how Simon is getting around >>>>> Bertram's 5000 mile non >>>>> � � � � �compete >>>>> � � � � �> >>>>> exclusion zone? >>>>> � � � � �> >>>>> � � � � �> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Keefe John >>>>> � � � � �> Sent: >>>>> Tuesday, September 29, 2015 >>>>> 8:14 AM >>>>> � � � � �> To: >>>>> Animal Farm >>>>> � � � � �> >>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] New ISP >>>>> Billing Solution: Sonar >>>>> � � � � �> >>>>> � � � � �> This >>>>> website just popped up >>>>> today.� The product looks >>>>> very >>>>> � � � � �exciting! >>>>> � � � � �> I can't >>>>> wait to find out more about >>>>> it. >>>>> � � � � �> >>>>> � � � � �> >>>>> https://sonar.software/ >>>>> � � � � �> >>>>> � � � � �> >>>>> >>>>> https://sonar.community/t/announcing-sonar/30 >>>>> � � � � �> >>>>> � � � � �> >>>>> � � � � �> Keefe >>>>> John >>>>> � � � � �> Ethoplex >>>>> � � � � �> >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> � >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Avast logo <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >>>>> software. >>>>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
