Several years ago i was at camp robinson firing range to qualify our
young soldiers and as weapons were being handed out one soldier was
denied due to
criminal check that had just came into light and he was not allowed to
train with the rest of us until his name was totally cleared to hold a
live weapon during
a qualification training exorcise.
These same checks and restrictions could be implemented to help with
better control of who should be allowed to carry a weapon for safety or
have one for home defense.
As I was trained on lots of weapon systems. One of the advantages of
being a good shot is getting to have the most powerful urban scope and
all the trimmings for your
primary weapon as the M4. Others that did not get a high enough score to
get one of these had to settle for red dot or iron site. The ones that
could not shoot to even make
marksman was issued a shotgun.
Of course different units handled this differently.
On 10/10/2015 3:01 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:
Gun owner here of a very nice S&W MP40 with grip laser, and a smaller
9MM, and unlike most on this list I’m a veteran too professionally
trained in a variety of weapons systems. That said, my views are not
what one might expect because above all I believe in rationality.
Absolutism, like literalism, is another name for extremism and such
people have an aversion to science and reason.
We are the only country so lacking in judgment, so unable to grasp the
concept of proportionality (reacting to real risk, versus chicken shit
fear) that we’ll spend trillions of dollars, lead thousands of our own
to death, and maim and/or inflict PTSD upon tens of thousands to stop
“terrorism,” when statistically the real threat of being impacted by
terror is less likely than breaking your hip in the shower. Meanwhile,
guns improperly used or otherwise used for indefensible violence have
killed more people in the past 40 years than all our wars combined
since the birth of the nation and we say there’s nothing we can do
because “freedom.”
We are a country whose population is chronically unable to process
fact, lives in perpetual fear of their neighbors, nor can think
critically on a great many truly existential problems.
Finally, I have a CCP, but I don’t unless I were out hiking or
motorcycling out somewhere remotely. Of all the reasons the conceal
carry, the worst argument is because one is afraid of everything and
everyone around them. Civilized societies simply don’t do this. That’s
not a debatable point. Why so many yearn for us to be like Mogadishu
instead of Copenhagen is beyond me. Why, so you can blast away in a
busy parking lot at a truck fleeing a Home Depot driven by a guy who
shoplifted? Yay! How safe are we!
Patrick Leary
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2015 12:00 PM
*To:* Animal Farm <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
The debate is basically a Mexican Stand Off...I am done with it
...look at current political condition on all sides. Email crap to
implosion of the Grumpy Old Party. On a side note the disjointed
actions and antics of Republican party are entertainment to me.
Between Bozo the clown and that "open mouth, insert foot" guy McCarthy
it sure is funny. As i tell my super right wing creationist
friend...you guys are your own worst enemy.
Jaime Solorza
Yes, the meaning clearly was for militia to be able to defend the
state, but it is also pretty clear that they were intended to be able
to defend against the government, if necessary. That doesn't work if
the government has complete control over who can bear arms.
On Oct 10, 2015 10:06 AM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The 2nd Amendment was based on English version which came earlier
and its meaning was for militia to be able to defend state. I
don't want to get into a history lesson or political debate. But
freedom and individual rights do not and should over ride
individual responsibility. Hell we have to take tests to obtain a
drivers license...it offers some level of order on the roads. It
is too easy for people in USA to but guns. Hunting is one
thing...you don't hunt with a hand gun or AK!!! The wackos and
lobbyists for NRA and extreme groups will fight tooth and nail
any attempt to regulate them citing their rights! What about the
right to act responsibly and live in peace. Doesn't portent well
for our children....
Jaime Solorza
Freedom is not the exercise to choose whatever you want. Heck
then free all the child molesters! Human beings need to be
controlled, that the whole reasoning behind laws. Im with Jaime
and Stefan on this.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
There are many items that kill more humans than first world guns.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *"Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent: *Friday, October 9, 2015 11:21:43 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings
Looking at this with a foreign view I can't understand this
"gun love" in US. It is not all about the criminals or idiots.
Just look at the statistics for accidents with weapons. The
only way to save lifes is to be very restrictive. If someone
wants to shoot he can go to a shooting club and leave the
weapon there. It is not freedom to have a gun at home. It is
silly esp. with kids around.
You can't avoid killing with banning weapons but you can
reduce it. If I need a weapon I call for police or security.
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