Yea, the army is funny. On Sat, Oct 10, 2015, 4:13 PM David Milholen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Several years ago i was at camp robinson firing range to qualify our young > soldiers and as weapons were being handed out one soldier was denied due to > criminal check that had just came into light and he was not allowed to > train with the rest of us until his name was totally cleared to hold a live > weapon during > a qualification training exorcise. > These same checks and restrictions could be implemented to help with > better control of who should be allowed to carry a weapon for safety or > have one for home defense. > As I was trained on lots of weapon systems. One of the advantages of being > a good shot is getting to have the most powerful urban scope and all the > trimmings for your > primary weapon as the M4. Others that did not get a high enough score to > get one of these had to settle for red dot or iron site. The ones that > could not shoot to even make > marksman was issued a shotgun. > Of course different units handled this differently. > > > > > On 10/10/2015 3:01 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > > Gun owner here of a very nice S&W MP40 with grip laser, and a smaller 9MM, > and unlike most on this list I’m a veteran too professionally trained in a > variety of weapons systems. That said, my views are not what one might > expect because above all I believe in rationality. Absolutism, like > literalism, is another name for extremism and such people have an aversion > to science and reason. > > > > We are the only country so lacking in judgment, so unable to grasp the > concept of proportionality (reacting to real risk, versus chicken shit > fear) that we’ll spend trillions of dollars, lead thousands of our own to > death, and maim and/or inflict PTSD upon tens of thousands to stop > “terrorism,” when statistically the real threat of being impacted by terror > is less likely than breaking your hip in the shower. Meanwhile, guns > improperly used or otherwise used for indefensible violence have killed > more people in the past 40 years than all our wars combined since the birth > of the nation and we say there’s nothing we can do because “freedom.” > > > > We are a country whose population is chronically unable to process fact, > lives in perpetual fear of their neighbors, nor can think critically on a > great many truly existential problems. > > > > Finally, I have a CCP, but I don’t unless I were out hiking or > motorcycling out somewhere remotely. Of all the reasons the conceal carry, > the worst argument is because one is afraid of everything and everyone > around them. Civilized societies simply don’t do this. That’s not a > debatable point. Why so many yearn for us to be like Mogadishu instead of > Copenhagen is beyond me. Why, so you can blast away in a busy parking lot > at a truck fleeing a Home Depot driven by a guy who shoplifted? Yay! How > safe are we! > > > > Patrick Leary > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > > > *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2015 12:00 PM > *To:* Animal Farm <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings > > > > The debate is basically a Mexican Stand Off...I am done with it ...look at > current political condition on all sides. Email crap to implosion of the > Grumpy Old Party. On a side note the disjointed actions and antics of > Republican party are entertainment to me. Between Bozo the clown and that > "open mouth, insert foot" guy McCarthy it sure is funny. As i tell my > super right wing creationist friend...you guys are your own worst enemy. > > Jaime Solorza > > Yes, the meaning clearly was for militia to be able to defend the state, > but it is also pretty clear that they were intended to be able to defend > against the government, if necessary. That doesn't work if the government > has complete control over who can bear arms. > > On Oct 10, 2015 10:06 AM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > The 2nd Amendment was based on English version which came earlier and its > meaning was for militia to be able to defend state. I don't want to get > into a history lesson or political debate. But freedom and individual > rights do not and should over ride individual responsibility. Hell we have > to take tests to obtain a drivers license...it offers some level of order > on the roads. It is too easy for people in USA to but guns. Hunting is one > thing...you don't hunt with a hand gun or AK!!! The wackos and lobbyists > for NRA and extreme groups will fight tooth and nail any attempt to > regulate them citing their rights! What about the right to act responsibly > and live in peace. Doesn't portent well for our children.... > > Jaime Solorza > > Freedom is not the exercise to choose whatever you want. Heck then free > all the child molesters! Human beings need to be controlled, that the whole > reasoning behind laws. Im with Jaime and Stefan on this. > > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > There are many items that kill more humans than first world guns. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Friday, October 9, 2015 11:21:43 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings > > Looking at this with a foreign view I can't understand this "gun love" in > US. It is not all about the criminals or idiots. Just look at the > statistics for accidents with weapons. The only way to save lifes is to be > very restrictive. If someone wants to shoot he can go to a shooting club > and leave the weapon there. It is not freedom to have a gun at home. It is > silly esp. with kids around. > > You can't avoid killing with banning weapons but you can reduce it. If I > need a weapon I call for police or security. > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > -- >
