Nicely done.  You can have my grownup card, I don't want it anymore.


On 10/12/2015 1:33 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I just want everyone to note that I was the adult this time

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Agreed, it's been a fun discussion, but it would be best to stop
    before we go too far and people start leaving the list. Perhaps we
    should have another list for some of these off topic discussions...

    And on that note, I'll shut up.

    On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 12:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        I like arguments, heated ones are the best, but this topic has
        the potential to derail what has always been a very good forum
        for this industry. May I recommend it be closed before
        somebody gets their panties in a bunch and this joint ends up
        like a dslreports forum?

        On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Patrick Leary
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        wrote:

            ++++++ 1000

            Patrick Leary


            Patrick Leary
            Telrad
            On Oct 12, 2015 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
            Everyone wants to elect a President based on ideology (or
            likeability), ignoring that the primary job is to run the
            executive branch. Eisenhower was probably the last POTUS
            who came to the job with credentials for effectively
            running a giant organization.  Not saying someone can’t
            grow to fill the job, look at Reagan and JFK.  But
            seriously, Ben Carson?
            I see the same mistake in the current contest to see what
            poor schmuck gets to be Speaker of the House.  They want
            to make it about ideology, and yes it’s about getting the
            ideology of the majority caucus into legislation, but the
            Speaker should be a get-stuff-done type, not an ideologue.
            People still remember Sam Rayburn and Tip O’Neill. Hey,
            they could bring Newt Gingrich or Denny Hastert out of
            retirement.  Looks like Hastert will avoid jail time, and
            he could probably use the money after paying all that hush
            money.
            *From:* Patrick Leary <mailto:[email protected]>
            *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2015 10:22 AM
            *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Guns etc
            Your vision of Reagan is of a cartoon character, devoid of
            reality, factually ignorant, and it vastly insults his
            memory. Were Reagan president today, you'd be calling him
            a "libtard." You are clearly under 40 years old.
            Patrick Leary
            Telrad
            On Oct 11, 2015 5:47 PM, Philip Rankin
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
            Nixon was conservative, but with him  trying to cover up
his crooked tail, we never saw much of anything from him. He was truly ineffective. Ford and Bush?? Hahaha. Not
            conservative RINO.  Reagan, a different story. He wasn't
            perfect, but in his heart he held conservatism high. There
            is only one way to preside and that is to work  with the
            other side some. That's when he had to give up his far
            right position some  Nixon is the only conservative that
            had any bearing on this country in the last 50 years.  I
            should say conservative bearing!
            On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Josh Luthman
            <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                Nixon Ford Reagan Bush...

                Josh Luthman
                Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
                Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
                1100 Wayne St
                Suite 1337
                Troy, OH 45373

                On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Philip Rankin
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                wrote:

                    Yes, one.
                    On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        You know we've had conservative politicians
                        and presidents in the last 50 years right?

                        Josh Luthman
                        Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
                        Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
                        1100 Wayne St
                        Suite 1337
                        Troy, OH 45373

                        On Oct 11, 2015 3:52 PM, "Philip Rankin"
                        <[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                            Since many of you are calling me rude, how
                            about we just reverse that logic???  How
                            about all of the damage the liberal logic
                            has done to this country in the past say
                            50 years????  Is that not rude?  You know,
                            actually it's so far beyond rude, that we
                            can't measure it anymore. Start with the
                            debt, the credit ratings of the country,
                            the backdoor payoff deals, the stupidity
                            of laws that cover laws that should not
                            have ever been written in the first
                            place.  Or, the stupid recent healthcare
                            law that the majority of the population
                            don't want because we were lied to about
                            it.  And then the RINOs bailing out their
                            favorite companies after they got their
                            kickbacks? And this isn't even the tip of
                            the iceberg. It's all liberal stupidity.
                            Notice I didn't say Democrat or
                            Republican? It's libtards! These folk have
                            no concern for their country or their
                            fellow man. All they want is to line their
                            pockets and control people!  Call me rude
                            if you like!  I haven't even cracked the
                            door on the rudeness these people have
                            done to all of us including many
                            generations to follow us! And,  while were
                            at it, how about all of those babies that
                            will never have an opportunity to join
                            us?  What a sickening shame!  No, Travesty!
                            On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Philip
                            Rankin <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                                Haven't made my point yet Lewis. But,
                                saw enough of those that were not in
                                agreement with you in the thread to
                                know that they don't believe in
                                "Certain Inalienable Rights" with
                                government here only to preserve those
                                rights, not impose someone else's
                                stupidity on me.  And, that the libs
                                want someone else to take care of them
                                all of the time.  To me, that's
                                retarded and just plain dumb.  Now
                                that I look at those that have their
                                crazy position and compare that
                                position to their past posts on here,
                                I now understand some of their past
                                posts here!
                                I am not about to let someone shoot me
                                during a convenience store holdup. I
                                will die with my 45 in hand before I
                                let the bad guy take me or anyone else
                                easily.  Now, to shoot someone as he
                                is driving away with my dvd player as
                                more libtardiness suggested,,,, How
                                dumb! To take a life because someone
                                is a thief??? That's just another
                                liberal ploy adage to try to make
                                others believe that we shouldn't have
                                those inalienable rights.  Life is
                                precious, things, not so much!  But my
                                life is more precious to me than to
                                let someone else try to protect me
                                from halfway across the county (The
                                Police)!
                                So, to make my point about your
                                comment "People assume you are out of
                                salient points to make."  No, I'm just
                                trying to use a concise word that
                                describes all the stupidity that
                                today's liberals have stooped to. and
                                libtard pretty much does that!
                                On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Lewis
                                Bergman <[email protected]
                                <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                                    Come on now. Be civil. You only
                                    hurt your own argument when you
                                    resort to name calling. People
                                    assume you are out of salient
                                    points to make.


                                    On Sun, Oct 11, 2015, 1:09 PM
                                    Philip Rankin
                                    <[email protected]
                                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                                        Especially with all thee
                                        libtard views out there today!
                                        On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 12:10
                                        PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
                                        <[email protected]
                                        <mailto:[email protected]>>
                                        wrote:

                                            It is also a great
                                            reminder that people in
                                            other parts of the country
                                            do not necessarily share
                                            your views.
                                            Also a great reminder that
                                            the founders of this
                                            country really did know
                                            what they were doing.
                                            For things to happen in
                                            this country you have to
                                            AGREE...which is becoming
                                            more and more difficult ;)

                                                ----- Original Message
                                                -----
                                                *From:* Chuck McCown
                                                <mailto:[email protected]>
                                                *To:* [email protected]
                                                <mailto:[email protected]>
                                                *Sent:* Saturday,
                                                October 10, 2015 11:40 AM
                                                *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT
                                                Guns etc
                                                This has been fun reading.

I love this list. Folks are smart and
                                                mostly polite and post
                                                some pretty
                                                well reasoned
                                                arguments on both
                                                sides of almost any
                                                issue.  This is all the
                                                social media I need.

                                                I did want to make a
                                                comment about the
                                                Illinois FOID card.

                                                I was a hostage in a
                                                bank robbery back in
                                                about 1993 in Quincy
                                                Illinois.
                                                Once it was over and I
                                                got out of the bank, I
                                                learned that a
                                                co-worker had
                                                suffered some kind of
                                                stress attack and was
                                                in the hospital. That
                                                afternoon
                                                they were out of beds
                                                in some of the areas
                                                so that took him to
                                                the 5th
                                                floor.  That is the
                                                psych floor.

                                                Then, it turned out,
                                                anyone that gets
                                                admitted to a psych
                                                ward in Illinois
                                                gets reported to the
                                                FOID people.
                                                They revoke the FOID card.

                                                This guy was a big
                                                time hunter.  It just
                                                about killed him.
                                                He got some pretty
                                                good press and got
some political help. Hot his card
                                                back in about 6 weeks.

                                                So, if you want to
                                                keep your FOID stay
                                                out of psych wards!



-- Philip J. Rankin
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                                        Services
                                        PO Box 24
                                        Pittsburg, KS 66762



-- Philip J. Rankin
                                Wireless Telecommunications Services
                                PO Box 24
                                Pittsburg, KS 66762



-- Philip J. Rankin
                            Wireless Telecommunications Services
                            PO Box 24
                            Pittsburg, KS 66762



-- Philip J. Rankin
                    Wireless Telecommunications Services
                    PO Box 24
                    Pittsburg, KS 66762



-- Philip J. Rankin
            Wireless Telecommunications Services
            PO Box 24
            Pittsburg, KS 66762



            
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