Agreed, it's been a fun discussion, but it would be best to stop before we
go too far and people start leaving the list. Perhaps we should have
another list for some of these off topic discussions...

And on that note, I'll shut up.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 12:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like arguments, heated ones are the best, but this topic has the
> potential to derail what has always been a very good forum for this
> industry. May I recommend it be closed before somebody gets their panties
> in a bunch and this joint ends up like a dslreports forum?
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@telrad.com>
> wrote:
>
>> ++++++ 1000
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>>
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> Telrad
>> On Oct 12, 2015 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>> Everyone wants to elect a President based on ideology (or likeability),
>> ignoring that the primary job is to run the executive branch.  Eisenhower
>> was probably the last POTUS who came to the job with credentials for
>> effectively running a giant organization.  Not saying someone can’t grow to
>> fill the job, look at Reagan and JFK.  But seriously, Ben Carson?
>>
>> I see the same mistake in the current contest to see what poor schmuck
>> gets to be Speaker of the House.  They want to make it about ideology, and
>> yes it’s about getting the ideology of the majority caucus into
>> legislation, but the Speaker should be a get-stuff-done type, not an
>> ideologue.  People still remember Sam Rayburn and Tip O’Neill.  Hey, they
>> could bring Newt Gingrich or Denny Hastert out of retirement.  Looks like
>> Hastert will avoid jail time, and he could probably use the money after
>> paying all that hush money.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@telrad.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2015 10:22 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Guns etc
>>
>> Your vision of Reagan is of a cartoon character, devoid of reality,
>> factually ignorant, and it vastly insults his memory. Were Reagan president
>> today, you'd be calling him a "libtard." You are clearly under 40 years old.
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> Telrad
>> On Oct 11, 2015 5:47 PM, Philip Rankin <wireless...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nixon was conservative, but  with him  trying to cover up his crooked
>> tail, we never saw much of anything from him.  He was truly ineffective.
>> Ford  and Bush??  Hahaha.  Not conservative  RINO.  Reagan, a different
>> story. He wasn't perfect, but in his heart he held conservatism high.
>> There is only one way to preside and that is to work  with the other side
>> some.  That's when he had to give up his far right position some  Nixon is
>> the only conservative that had any bearing on this country in the last 50
>> years.  I should say conservative bearing!
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nixon Ford Reagan Bush...
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Philip Rankin <wireless...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You know we've had conservative politicians and presidents in the last
>>>>> 50 years right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> On Oct 11, 2015 3:52 PM, "Philip Rankin" <wireless...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since many of you are calling me rude, how about we just reverse that
>>>>>> logic???  How about all of the damage the liberal logic has done to this
>>>>>> country in the past say 50 years????  Is that not rude?  You know, 
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> it's so far beyond rude, that we can't measure it anymore.  Start with 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> debt, the credit ratings of the country, the backdoor payoff deals, the
>>>>>> stupidity of laws that cover laws that should not have ever been written 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the first place.  Or, the stupid recent healthcare law that the majority 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the population don't want because we were lied to about it.  And then the
>>>>>> RINOs bailing out their favorite companies after they got their 
>>>>>> kickbacks?
>>>>>> And this isn't even the tip of the iceberg. It's all liberal stupidity.
>>>>>> Notice I didn't say Democrat or Republican?  It's libtards! These folk 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> no concern for their country or their fellow man.  All they want is to 
>>>>>> line
>>>>>> their pockets and control people!  Call me rude if you like!  I haven't
>>>>>> even cracked the door on the rudeness these people have done to all of us
>>>>>> including many generations to follow us!  And,  while were at it, how 
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> all of those babies that will never have an opportunity to join us?  
>>>>>> What a
>>>>>> sickening shame!  No, Travesty!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Philip Rankin <wireless...@gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Haven't made my point yet Lewis.  But, saw enough of those that were
>>>>>>> not in agreement with you in the thread to know that they don't believe 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> "Certain Inalienable Rights" with government here only to preserve those
>>>>>>> rights, not impose someone else's stupidity on me.  And, that the libs 
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> someone else to take care of them all of the time.  To me, that's 
>>>>>>> retarded
>>>>>>> and just plain dumb.  Now that I look at those that have their crazy
>>>>>>> position and compare that position to their past posts on here, I now
>>>>>>> understand some of their past posts here!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not about to let someone shoot me during a convenience store
>>>>>>> holdup.  I will die with my 45 in hand before I let the bad guy take me 
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> anyone else easily.  Now, to shoot someone as he is driving away with my
>>>>>>> dvd player as more libtardiness suggested,,,,  How dumb! To take a life
>>>>>>> because someone is a thief???  That's just another liberal ploy adage to
>>>>>>> try to make others believe that we shouldn't have those inalienable
>>>>>>> rights.  Life is precious, things, not so much!  But my life is more
>>>>>>> precious to me than to let someone else try to protect me from halfway
>>>>>>> across the county (The Police)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, to make my point about your comment "People assume you are out
>>>>>>> of salient points to make."  No, I'm just trying to use a concise word 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> describes all the stupidity that today's liberals have stooped to.  and
>>>>>>> libtard pretty much does that!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Lewis Bergman <
>>>>>>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Come on now. Be civil. You only hurt your own argument when you
>>>>>>>> resort to name calling. People assume you are out of salient points to 
>>>>>>>> make.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015, 1:09 PM Philip Rankin <wireless...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Especially with all thee libtard views out there today!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 12:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>>>>>>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is also a great reminder that people in other parts of the
>>>>>>>>>> country do not necessarily share your views.
>>>>>>>>>> Also a great reminder that the founders of this country really
>>>>>>>>>> did know what they were doing.
>>>>>>>>>> For things to happen in this country you have to AGREE...which is
>>>>>>>>>> becoming more and more difficult ;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2015 11:40 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Guns etc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This has been fun reading.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I love this list.  Folks are smart and mostly polite and post
>>>>>>>>>> some pretty
>>>>>>>>>> well reasoned arguments on both sides of almost any issue.  This
>>>>>>>>>> is all the
>>>>>>>>>> social media I need.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I did want to make a comment about the Illinois FOID card.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was a hostage in a bank robbery back in about 1993 in Quincy
>>>>>>>>>> Illinois.
>>>>>>>>>> Once it was over and I got out of the bank, I  learned that a
>>>>>>>>>> co-worker had
>>>>>>>>>> suffered some kind of stress attack and was in the hospital.
>>>>>>>>>> That afternoon
>>>>>>>>>> they were out of beds in some of the areas so that took him to
>>>>>>>>>> the 5th
>>>>>>>>>> floor.  That is the psych floor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then, it turned out, anyone that gets admitted to a psych ward in
>>>>>>>>>> Illinois
>>>>>>>>>> gets reported to the FOID people.
>>>>>>>>>> They revoke the FOID card.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This guy was a big time hunter.  It just about killed him.
>>>>>>>>>> He got some pretty good press and got some political help.  Hot
>>>>>>>>>> his card
>>>>>>>>>> back in about 6 weeks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, if you want to keep your FOID stay out of psych wards!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Philip J. Rankin
>>>>>>>>> Wireless Telecommunications Services
>>>>>>>>> PO Box 24
>>>>>>>>> Pittsburg, KS  66762
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Philip J. Rankin
>>>>>>> Wireless Telecommunications Services
>>>>>>> PO Box 24
>>>>>>> Pittsburg, KS  66762
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Philip J. Rankin
>>>>>> Wireless Telecommunications Services
>>>>>> PO Box 24
>>>>>> Pittsburg, KS  66762
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Philip J. Rankin
>>>> Wireless Telecommunications Services
>>>> PO Box 24
>>>> Pittsburg, KS  66762
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Philip J. Rankin
>> Wireless Telecommunications Services
>> PO Box 24
>> Pittsburg, KS  66762
>>
>>
>>
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