When you doesn't work I assume you mean 100% of the time, which nothing
does. What it does do is cut out about 5 or 10 minutes of conversation and
try to match what they need to a package.
Nothing prevents customers from demanding more than they pay for.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 9:37 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:

> That also does not work, because now you have (in their mind) guaranteed
> something you are not fully in control of, like video quality.
>
> Yet they choose the content provider and the device, and even if you
> provide the WiFi router, you don’t control what devices they connect, at
> what location, on what band.  There are dozens of streaming services,
> dozens of streaming devices, hundreds of combinations, some will be flaky,
> some will require more bandwidth than others, in the customer’s mind they
> are all “streaming” and you said they could do that, so you suck.
>
> It seems there are 2 choices:
>
> 1)  Grow a thick skin, because people are going to complain to you about
> everything, no matter what
>
> 2)  Overdeliver to eliminate any possibility that the last mile pipe could
> be the limiting factor ... then refer to #1
>
> I think the big carriers have pretty much adopted #1.  Everybody has “up
> to” speeds and network management for “congestion”.  People hate them more
> than politicians, lawyers, used car salesmen, bosses, mothers-in-law,
> ungrateful offspring, maybe even ISIS and Ebola.  Yet people still pay
> them.  Yes the bitching leads to churn, but it’s just musical chairs, A
> loses a customer to B, meanwhile B loses a customer to A.  It keeps the
> installers busy.
>
> You can’t win.  One way, they complain about speedtest results, the other
> way, they complain about video quality.  At least with speedtest results
> you can connect a wired gigabit laptop and show them the numbers.
>
>
> *From:* David Milholen <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 16, 2015 9:13 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10Gbps FTTH
> I am seeing a very fine lite to get away from the stupid Mbs or bytes or
> Bits or what ever the F#$% binary calc of package rate means or is.
> This is what the general dumb non tech give a shit public has become used
> to. All they know is 10 is better than 1 and 100 is better so give Joe smoe
> a 10Gbs and the neighbor a 100mbs
> and neither would be able to tell the difference other than price so joe
> smoe switches to 100mbs so who wins, DOH!
>
> I saw a really neat idea that a company did at wispa to completely wipe
> away the Mbs and bs numbers assc with packages using Valued streaming as
> the term to define their packages
> and explain clearly what kind of experience and how many devices can
> support this experience at one time on the connection.
> To me that is the way to go until some other stupid crap that cant be
> explained with a crayon comes along.
> Maybe put in fine print what the actual cap for capacity is.(not for UBB)
>
> thats my meh! cents worth
>
>
>
> On 10/16/2015 8:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> Sterling, this is a constant struggle for any active-ethernet based real 1
> Gbps ISP...  It's in the top five issues that the frontline tech support
> people deal with. People with old/shitty/misconfigured wireless routers who
> don't understand that their connection to their device (within their home)
> is going to be slower over wireless than the 1000BaseT that is delivered to
> the WAN interface of their router.
>
> I have seen this problem significantly ameliorated by offering $10/mo
> router rental of a fairly high end ($200) 802.11ac dual band 3x3 MIMO
> router. Reduces the headache for the people answering the tech support
> line.
>
> It has become standard practice for the installation techs to take
> screenshots (via 1000BaseT connection hardwired directly into their
> Thinkpad laptop) at the time of installation to verify that the connection
> really is working at >850Mbps. This is usually done in front of the
> customer and shown to them at the time of install before the tech departs
> the premises.
>
> Now if people still want to moan and complain after all that, thanks to
> their ignorance, there's not a lot more that can be done.
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Sterling Jacobson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> I just had a customer on our 1Gbps service keep complaining that his
>> wireless was only 250Mbps on his iPhone.
>>
>>
>>
>> He was asking why he even bothers paying $70 for 1000Mbps when he only
>> sees 100-250Mbps.
>>
>>
>>
>> This guy has an netgear router that isn’t even connected to anything.
>> It’s all wireless.
>>
>> I went over, plugged in my Surface to his Netgear and showed him 950Mbps
>> up and down on speedtest.net.
>>
>>
>>
>> Still didn’t get it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Said we were falsely advertising “Up to 1000Mbps” on our web site because
>> it never gets to 1000Mbps.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wanted to shoot myself at that point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fortunately, I don’t get many of these people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *
>> [email protected]
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 16, 2015 10:41 AM
>>
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 10Gbps FTTH
>>
>>
>>
>> My question is, who is running around complaining that their 1 Gbps
>> Internet sucks? "Oh my god! My Internet is SO SLOW! Someone needs to give
>> me 10Gbps!"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 12:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to see these hippie google bastards tooling around in east
>> st louis, Alphabet would have to generate a body armor company
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> East St. Louis...
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 9:33 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10Gbps FTTH
>>
>> This is the New Economy, we don't need no stinkin' profits.
>>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/shinal/2015/10/15/square-ipo-filing-shows-fast-growth-consistent-losses/73985492/
>>
>> And in the case of Google Fiber, how would we know if it was profitable?
>> Unless Alphabet intends to split off companies to stand on their own.
>>
>> I do find it interesting that everyone focuses on the last mile bandwidth,
>> as if that's the whole story.  At least with business service, you don't
>> have the ridiculous scenario of someone running their 10 Gbps residential
>> Internet into an AC3200 router and doing speedtests on their iPad.  But if
>> they sell 10 Gbps business service at lower than datacenter bandwidth
>> pricing, what happens if businesses start actually using it like DIA or
>> datacenter bandwidth?  Like someone decides to sell cloud gaming or
>> streaming video or some business model that involves hundreds of screens
>> streaming 4K video?  Maybe some real time medical imaging application.
>>
>> And all this gigabit activity in cities doesn't really prove much about
>> less
>> populated or economically distressed areas.  If Google's intent is to
>> prove
>> something, rather than cherry-pick, I'd still like to see them wire
>> Detroit
>> or Newark.  Not the wealthy suburbs or select "fiberhoods".  Do the whole
>> city and show how it sparks an urban revival.  Or go do a small rural town
>> or a tribal reservation.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:20 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10Gbps FTTH
>>
>> And, they are operating the system at a profit, right...?
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 8:52 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [AFMUG] 10Gbps FTTH
>>
>> Does Google know they are getting out played by a small city? :)
>>
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/10/10gbps-internet-offered-by-city-fighting-anti-muni-broadband-laws/
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>
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