Amplex is going to go out of business because it expects to be paid.  I
would love to get in a yelling match with her.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Mark Radabaugh <[email protected]> wrote:

> Just the usual crap:
>
>
> rcarlin <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin> *[*8:14 PM
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/archives/csr/p1447204466000075>*]* Heads
> up: [redacted] wife called in tonight VERY upset about her service being
> closed. She was going to make a payment and I informed her that the service
> was closed and we had picked up the equipment. She then complained for
> about 8 minutes to me about how horrible we are and that I couldn't do
> anything for her, so she would call in the morning.
> Be prepared to receive an earful because I don't think she is finished.
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/tima>
> tima <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/tima> *[*8:16 PM
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/archives/csr/p1447204615000076>*]* Was
> he a non pay?
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin>
> rcarlin <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin> *[*8:17 PM
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/archives/csr/p1447204636000077>*]* yup
>
> *rcarlin <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin>**[8:17 PM]*She
> was furious that we would pick up the equipment after such a short time.
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/tima>
> tima <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/tima> *[*8:20 PM
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/archives/csr/p1447204835000079>*]* Her
> last payment was 9-18
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin>
> rcarlin <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin> *[*8:21 PM
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/archives/csr/p1447204878000080>*]* Oh
> and that we would turn off her service over $60
>
> *rcarlin <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin>**[8:21 PM]*"That
> isn't a business that I want to deal with"
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/tima>
> tima <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/tima> *[*8:21 PM
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/archives/csr/p1447204907000082>*]* We
> said we would be out 10/30 to pickup and we waited till 11/10 haha
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin>
> rcarlin <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin> *[*8:22 PM
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/archives/csr/p1447204928000083>*]* Yeah,
> she "never got that message"
>
> *rcarlin <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin>**[8:22 PM]*And
> was pissed about that also
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/tima>
> tima <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/tima> *[*8:22 PM
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/archives/csr/p1447204948000085>*]* The
> businesses she wants to deal with are likely few and far between due to all
> those bankruptcies due to no revenue being collected...
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin>
> rcarlin <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin> *[*8:23 PM
> <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/archives/csr/p1447204987000086>*]* Oh
> no, she insured me that I would be out of a job after Amplex goes out of
> business for disconnecting services like that
>
> *rcarlin <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin>**[8:26 PM]*"It
> wasn't even 2 months behind. Every other company is fine if I'm 2 or even 3
> months behind!"
>
> *rcarlin <https://amplexinternet.slack.com/team/rcarlin>**[8:27 PM]*"You
> didn't even tell us about any of this!" We did leave a VM for you and sent
> emails about the past due amounts. "Oh, so someone is a month past due and
> you harass them with calls and emails?! That is ridiculous!”
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Lewis Bergman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> We averaged one ACH bounce a year. I don't remember the percentage but I
> know we were getting $40k or so auto pay. It just wasn't a big enough deal
> not to use. I only had one repeat dishonest piece of crap that would watch
> for new installers and give another false name to get service under and he
> wasn't an ACH.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015, 11:27 AM Mark Radabaugh <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> A few customers discovered that game.   After they pull that once or
>> twice we flag the account and refuse any further ACH payments.  It’s a
>> minor nuisance at this point.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> The people who are cheating you as you describe below already have bad
>> credit and sending them to collections or not won't make any difference.
>>
>> Where you'll get paid is when you're dealing with young people who made
>> errors in judgement and now are trying to buy a car or a house and realize
>> they can't until they pay off old debts.
>>
>> I can't think of any "slanderous hate speech" incidents related to
>> collections, except maybe one.
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2015 11:41 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>>
>> I originally loved ACH, for the cost savings.  Now I have realized that
>> it is the only way that a customer can defraud us with our current billing
>> method.  They login and run an ACH on a delinquent account, get it turned
>> back on automagically, and then it bounces, we add a fee, they repeat the
>> process, we turn it off, add another fee, rinse, lather, repeat.  Finally
>> we give up and go get the equipment and now we're out like $250.  Being a
>> prepaid service we usually shut them off after 20 days and so that would be
>> the most that anyone could possibly hit us for (20 days of service).  With
>> checks they can bounce the install and then play the re-activation game for
>> two months before we get frustrated and pull out.
>>
>> We have yet to start sending customers to collections.  For those of you
>> that are, how does it work out?  Are the reclamation of these minor amounts
>> worth the slanderous hate speech that is sure to come from that customer
>> for life after you hit their credit?  We have been eating the cost, cutting
>> ties, and moving on.
>>
>> As far as how we push them toward ACH, I simply explain how bad bill pay
>> sucks.  It is like sending cash in the mail and it goes through a third
>> party.  If they are late mailing it then service gets shut off, and late
>> fees get added.  I also tell them that credit cards cost us more to process
>> than checks.  I basically just tell them that we prefer ACH, but we will
>> take anything.  I regularly question whether ACH is a good idea or not.  We
>> have more problem customers on ACH than any other payment method.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Our bank wants a $25/mo minimum fee for us to process ACH payments, so
>>> we don’t accept ACH.  The per transaction fee is not bad, but the minimum
>>> is a problem.
>>>
>>> *From:* Justin Wilson - MTIN <[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2015 9:29 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Steer customers to ACH (vs CC)?
>>>
>>> Give them a discount.  Much of it depends on the bank. We had folks who
>>> absolutely hated ACH because their bank would charge an overdraft if the
>>> ACH failed.  They like the CC, even if it was a debit card, because if the
>>> money wasn’t there it just declines it.  No $30 fee or whatever.   But, it
>>> depends on the bank. This is what wasn’t attractive to us was banks treated
>>> it different.  Credit card either runs or it doesn’t.  ACH typically is not
>>> as smooth for a variety of reasons.
>>>
>>> Justin Wilson
>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]
>>>
>>> ---
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>>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Christopher Gray <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> For the people who accept both ACH and CC payments, do you do anything
>>> to promote the use of ACH (to reduce your costs)?
>>>
>>> Thanks - Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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