I am great now...I tell myself that... lol
On Dec 15, 2015 4:12 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote:
> But this thing will be great! Someday...
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> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
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> On 12/15/2015 9:57 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
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> That's fine to be a fan, I'm always looking forward too. It's probably
> one of the personality traits you need in this business.
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> But it doesn't make sense to bash an already available product and an
> already installed system and then compare it to a product that isn't
> available and won't be for a while.
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> -Sean
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> On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> And by the way, I’m a fan of some other stuff that isn’t on the market
>> yet. Gotta plan ahead.
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>> Rory
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 2:34 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>
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>> Yea, I like to look ahead and be prepared for it which is why I’m not
>> interested in Ubiquiti Solar. My last bet 3 years ago is about to pay off
>> starting this month which I hinted at last article. A bird in the hand
>> doesn’t always apply to technology but once it’s a manufacturing problem
>> instead of a development process, then I get a little more interested.
>> Peroksvite is a manufacturing problem and the Chinese are cranking up the
>> manufacturing right now. My suggestion, don’t bet against it. At
>> minimum, it will also provide a boost to existing solar technology
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>> http://www.chemborun.com/p-Perovskite-Solar-Cells-245085/Hole-Transport-Materials-245087/
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>> Rory
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:51 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
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>> I think Rory must own stock in perovskite lol. How else can someone be
>> such a fan boy of a nonexistent product.
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>> On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
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>> Throw in the cost of the money and it goes up a little more. The panels
>> also aren’t going to be 100% at 20 years so there is a reduction of
>> savings. But again, the argument is that if Peroksvite has an ROI of 6
>> months or it has a higher efficiency level, then there is additional
>> savings. Then there is the chance that battery costs come down in the next
>> 4 years for additional savings. In our case, the majority of our
>> electrical use is actually at night with the car charging and solar doesn’t
>> help us there.
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>>
>> Rory
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:09 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
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>> Look at it this way, I invested $10K and some labor.
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>> My 2015 savings is $2041. It would have been more but I discovered this
>> weekend that one of my inverters has been offline for a while. Based on my
>> data probably 3 months or so.
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>> In any event, I have $2401 more in my pocket to spend each year for the
>> next 20 years guaranteed. They will probably still be running strong in 40
>> years for my grandchildren to use.
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>> That is a 24% return on the investment.
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>> Where else can you get that kind of return?
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>> *From:* Rory Conaway
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>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:01 PM
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>> *To:* [email protected]
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>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
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>> Even with your ROI Chuck, and mine would be higher, if Peroksvite hits
>> the market in 3 years, the ROI, still makes it a better value. However,
>> the average person is still going to be at 7 years or more.
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>> Rory
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:58 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
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>> stop making sense Chuck....it makes head blow up
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>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> Wireless Systems Architect
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>> 915-861-1390
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>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> It more than cut my power bill in half.
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>> *From:* Rory Conaway
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>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:09 PM
>>
>> *To:* [email protected]
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>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
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>> It might have been reasonable until Perovskite was announced. It will
>> have an ROI in months.
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>> For me, a grid-tie system doesn’t make sense with the additional fees and
>> the difference in wholesale/retail, especially with an electric car that is
>> only home at night.
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>> Rory
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:53 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
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>> even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonable, since they should have
>> quite a bit longer life span than that... and you don't need any storage
>> with a grid-tie system.
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>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
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>> Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average installation
>> commercially or through any of the solar companies is 7-11 years. Also,
>> what are you doing for storage?
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>> Rory
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:43 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
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>> I love my solar panels and the payback is about 4 years.
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>> *From:* Rory Conaway
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>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15 AM
>>
>> *To:* [email protected]
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
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>> The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the eyesore (actually I
>> think they look cool) is noise and bird deaths. Never been a fan of them
>> though.
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>> Right now I’m against taxpayer subsidized solar for three reasons, the
>> ROI is ridiculous, and better/cheaper technologies are right around the
>> corner (100 times cheaper and ROI’s of months, not years), and there is no
>> cost-effective storage medium that is going to last more than a few years
>> (Lithium batteries are expensive and will fail within 3-8 years or at least
>> be heavily degraded). When Perovskite panels come out with sodium
>> batteries or one of several other technologies that don’t start degrading
>> after 18 months, I’m onboard.
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>> As for people against technology that could better their lives. I’m more
>> worried about the ones that won’t teach proven science for religious
>> reasons. You can teach science and morality without ignoring the science.
>> Tolerance of ignorance never a good thing.
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>> Rory
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>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 9:58 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
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>> As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and causing
>> cancer type comments all came from two people (who were not council
>> members)... who happen to share the same last name.
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>> It sounds like the reason they voted to reject it was because the
>> residents didn't want it there... which is kind of the town council should
>> be doing, whether their reasons for wanting it there are logical or not
>> isn't entirely relevant. Most of the objections appear to have been that it
>> would be an eyesore... on the other hand, if the majority of the residents
>> did want it to happen, and the town council was just persuaded to turn it
>> down because of a couple of nutcases ranting, they should (and probably
>> will) be voted out in the next election.
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>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jay Weekley <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
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>> I really didn't gather the full reason they banned the solar farm from
>> the article. True, two citizens that made comments were nuts but you find
>> that anywhere.
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>> Patrick Leary wrote:
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>> Even worse Rory, because then you have many people who claim to know the
>> meaning of these labels but they are simply incorrect and are repeating
>> sound bites, and/or misapply them as a matter of course, even in
>> contradiction without a trace of irony.
>>
>> …e.g., “Obama is a follower of Reverend Wright!!!,” but is also a Kenyan
>> born Muslim.
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>> Go figure. It’s the death of critical thinking in this country. It has
>> spawned lots of ignorance. Did you know an elected city zoning board in
>> Woodland, NC just banned a solar farm on the grounds that it would steal
>> too much of the sun’s energy, thus putting photosynthesis of plants and
>> crops at risk? Yeah, that just happened in the U.S.A….in 2015.
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>> http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/
>>
>> Patrick
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>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:32 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>
>> I think that was misunderstood. My point was, regardless of the
>> candidates, is that the vast majority of voters simply don’t know the
>> facts, don’t care about the facts, and are not prepared to provide a vote
>> that is based on research and education. I can ask 10 people what the
>> Trans Pacific Partnership was about and 10 of them won’t have a clue. Show
>> a picture of Biden to 10 people and I’d be surprised if 8 of them recognize
>> him and his position in the government. Most of them don’t have any idea of
>> our country’s history, could tell you the difference between Democracy,
>> Socialism, and Communism, or even know who fought in World Wars, the Civil
>> War, or even which side won. The fact is, even with all the resources
>> available to the public today, the average voter is more ignorant today
>> than in the past. The all know the Kardashians but few of them could name
>> off their Senators or Congressman. This isn’t partisan, this is the state
>> of our country today. Picking out supporters of any candidate for being
>> ignorant is trite when the entire electorate is clueless.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:19 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>
>> Not trying to offend anyone on list....I get kick out of all mayhem on
>> news...but if you do get offended....I can only say. If the shoe
>> fits...don't take it off.
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>> On Dec 13, 2015 6:08 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected] <mailto:
>> [email protected]>> wrote:
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>> It's actually a sign of great intelligence to simultaneously hold two
>> opposite opinions at the same time.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 12/13/2015 5:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
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>> I think calling people ignorant because they support an opposing
>> candidate is over simplification and pretty ignorant itself.
>> Trump is appealing to the base fears and anger for a large number
>> of people who believe nobody else is addressing th those concerns.
>> I had to laugh today. I saw some consultant interviewing a bunch
>> Trump supporters. Some lady said she didn't like Obama because he
>> was arrogant and thought to much of himself. I thought, "wait a
>> second. You are a trump supporter?" Doesn't Trump have nearly the
>> entire market cornered on that trait?
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>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 6:50 PM Jaime Solorza
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>> And I like Mickey Mouse's voice much better compared to Cruz
>> or Trumps...
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>> On Dec 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> wrote:
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>> Lets fact check Rory....lol
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>> On Dec 13, 2015 5:03 PM, "Rory Conaway"
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>> Really, and Hillary supporters don’t even acknowledge she sold
>> influence in that State Department for billions and took
>> hundreds of millions for bogus speeches. All candidates have
>> followers that really don’t know what’s going on so singling
>> out Trump is bogus if you don’t add the voters who thought
>> Obama was going to pay their mortgage (that was a real
>> Einstein moment). With 90% of the people not even knowing who
>> the vice-president is, you can always find idiots who will
>> vote for Mickey Mouse if he said he was for some hot political
>> topic.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:10 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>
>> The scary thing Stefan is not Trump as much as his
>> followers...when they are interviewed it reminds how narrow
>> minded they are...they think professional wrestling is real
>> among other things but I might offend some on list...
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>> I said foreign view :-). We have very different laws and
>> thoughts on privacy. Our politicians are allowed to keep more
>> privacy. In such a case the private emails would not be open
>> to a broad audience. I did not say she followed US rules.
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>> Von: Lewis Bergman <[email protected]
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>> Datum: 13.12.2015 21:40 (GMT+01:00)
>> An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
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