Ha...low blow.. I rather be called a poo piece of shit than Donald Trump.
..beer assistant
On Dec 15, 2015 6:50 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote:
> You and the Donald.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 12/15/2015 3:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> I am great now...I tell myself that... lol
> On Dec 15, 2015 4:12 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> But this thing will be great! Someday...
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/2015 9:57 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>> That's fine to be a fan, I'm always looking forward too. It's probably
>> one of the personality traits you need in this business.
>>
>> But it doesn't make sense to bash an already available product and an
>> already installed system and then compare it to a product that isn't
>> available and won't be for a while.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And by the way, I’m a fan of some other stuff that isn’t on the market
>>> yet. Gotta plan ahead.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 2:34 PM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yea, I like to look ahead and be prepared for it which is why I’m not
>>> interested in Ubiquiti Solar. My last bet 3 years ago is about to pay off
>>> starting this month which I hinted at last article. A bird in the hand
>>> doesn’t always apply to technology but once it’s a manufacturing problem
>>> instead of a development process, then I get a little more interested.
>>> Peroksvite is a manufacturing problem and the Chinese are cranking up the
>>> manufacturing right now. My suggestion, don’t bet against it. At
>>> minimum, it will also provide a boost to existing solar technology
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.chemborun.com/p-Perovskite-Solar-Cells-245085/Hole-Transport-Materials-245087/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:51 PM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think Rory must own stock in perovskite lol. How else can someone be
>>> such a fan boy of a nonexistent product.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Throw in the cost of the money and it goes up a little more. The panels
>>> also aren’t going to be 100% at 20 years so there is a reduction of
>>> savings. But again, the argument is that if Peroksvite has an ROI of 6
>>> months or it has a higher efficiency level, then there is additional
>>> savings. Then there is the chance that battery costs come down in the next
>>> 4 years for additional savings. In our case, the majority of our
>>> electrical use is actually at night with the car charging and solar doesn’t
>>> help us there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:09 PM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Look at it this way, I invested $10K and some labor.
>>>
>>> My 2015 savings is $2041. It would have been more but I discovered this
>>> weekend that one of my inverters has been offline for a while. Based on my
>>> data probably 3 months or so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In any event, I have $2401 more in my pocket to spend each year for the
>>> next 20 years guaranteed. They will probably still be running strong in 40
>>> years for my grandchildren to use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is a 24% return on the investment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Where else can you get that kind of return?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:01 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Even with your ROI Chuck, and mine would be higher, if Peroksvite hits
>>> the market in 3 years, the ROI, still makes it a better value. However,
>>> the average person is still going to be at 7 years or more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:58 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> stop making sense Chuck....it makes head blow up
>>>
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>>
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> It more than cut my power bill in half.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:09 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It might have been reasonable until Perovskite was announced. It will
>>> have an ROI in months.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For me, a grid-tie system doesn’t make sense with the additional fees
>>> and the difference in wholesale/retail, especially with an electric car
>>> that is only home at night.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:53 AM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonable, since they should have
>>> quite a bit longer life span than that... and you don't need any storage
>>> with a grid-tie system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average
>>> installation commercially or through any of the solar companies is 7-11
>>> years. Also, what are you doing for storage?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:43 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I love my solar panels and the payback is about 4 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the eyesore (actually I
>>> think they look cool) is noise and bird deaths. Never been a fan of them
>>> though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Right now I’m against taxpayer subsidized solar for three reasons, the
>>> ROI is ridiculous, and better/cheaper technologies are right around the
>>> corner (100 times cheaper and ROI’s of months, not years), and there is no
>>> cost-effective storage medium that is going to last more than a few years
>>> (Lithium batteries are expensive and will fail within 3-8 years or at least
>>> be heavily degraded). When Perovskite panels come out with sodium
>>> batteries or one of several other technologies that don’t start degrading
>>> after 18 months, I’m onboard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As for people against technology that could better their lives. I’m
>>> more worried about the ones that won’t teach proven science for religious
>>> reasons. You can teach science and morality without ignoring the science.
>>> Tolerance of ignorance never a good thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>
>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 9:58 AM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and causing
>>> cancer type comments all came from two people (who were not council
>>> members)... who happen to share the same last name.
>>>
>>> It sounds like the reason they voted to reject it was because the
>>> residents didn't want it there... which is kind of the town council should
>>> be doing, whether their reasons for wanting it there are logical or not
>>> isn't entirely relevant. Most of the objections appear to have been that it
>>> would be an eyesore... on the other hand, if the majority of the residents
>>> did want it to happen, and the town council was just persuaded to turn it
>>> down because of a couple of nutcases ranting, they should (and probably
>>> will) be voted out in the next election.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jay Weekley <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I really didn't gather the full reason they banned the solar farm from
>>> the article. True, two citizens that made comments were nuts but you find
>>> that anywhere.
>>>
>>> Patrick Leary wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Even worse Rory, because then you have many people who claim to know the
>>> meaning of these labels but they are simply incorrect and are repeating
>>> sound bites, and/or misapply them as a matter of course, even in
>>> contradiction without a trace of irony.
>>>
>>> …e.g., “Obama is a follower of Reverend Wright!!!,” but is also a Kenyan
>>> born Muslim.
>>>
>>> Go figure. It’s the death of critical thinking in this country. It has
>>> spawned lots of ignorance. Did you know an elected city zoning board in
>>> Woodland, NC just banned a solar farm on the grounds that it would steal
>>> too much of the sun’s energy, thus putting photosynthesis of plants and
>>> crops at risk? Yeah, that just happened in the U.S.A….in 2015.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:32 PM
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>> I think that was misunderstood. My point was, regardless of the
>>> candidates, is that the vast majority of voters simply don’t know the
>>> facts, don’t care about the facts, and are not prepared to provide a vote
>>> that is based on research and education. I can ask 10 people what the
>>> Trans Pacific Partnership was about and 10 of them won’t have a clue. Show
>>> a picture of Biden to 10 people and I’d be surprised if 8 of them recognize
>>> him and his position in the government. Most of them don’t have any idea of
>>> our country’s history, could tell you the difference between Democracy,
>>> Socialism, and Communism, or even know who fought in World Wars, the Civil
>>> War, or even which side won. The fact is, even with all the resources
>>> available to the public today, the average voter is more ignorant today
>>> than in the past. The all know the Kardashians but few of them could name
>>> off their Senators or Congressman. This isn’t partisan, this is the state
>>> of our country today. Picking out supporters of any candidate for being
>>> ignorant is trite when the entire electorate is clueless.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:19 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>> Not trying to offend anyone on list....I get kick out of all mayhem on
>>> news...but if you do get offended....I can only say. If the shoe
>>> fits...don't take it off.
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2015 6:08 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected] <mailto:
>>> [email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's actually a sign of great intelligence to simultaneously hold two
>>> opposite opinions at the same time.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 12/13/2015 5:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>>> I think calling people ignorant because they support an opposing
>>> candidate is over simplification and pretty ignorant itself.
>>> Trump is appealing to the base fears and anger for a large number
>>> of people who believe nobody else is addressing th those concerns.
>>> I had to laugh today. I saw some consultant interviewing a bunch
>>> Trump supporters. Some lady said she didn't like Obama because he
>>> was arrogant and thought to much of himself. I thought, "wait a
>>> second. You are a trump supporter?" Doesn't Trump have nearly the
>>> entire market cornered on that trait?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 6:50 PM Jaime Solorza
>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And I like Mickey Mouse's voice much better compared to Cruz
>>> or Trumps...
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Lets fact check Rory....lol
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2015 5:03 PM, "Rory Conaway"
>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Really, and Hillary supporters don’t even acknowledge she sold
>>> influence in that State Department for billions and took
>>> hundreds of millions for bogus speeches. All candidates have
>>> followers that really don’t know what’s going on so singling
>>> out Trump is bogus if you don’t add the voters who thought
>>> Obama was going to pay their mortgage (that was a real
>>> Einstein moment). With 90% of the people not even knowing who
>>> the vice-president is, you can always find idiots who will
>>> vote for Mickey Mouse if he said he was for some hot political
>>> topic.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:10 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>
>>> The scary thing Stefan is not Trump as much as his
>>> followers...when they are interviewed it reminds how narrow
>>> minded they are...they think professional wrestling is real
>>> among other things but I might offend some on list...
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I said foreign view :-). We have very different laws and
>>> thoughts on privacy. Our politicians are allowed to keep more
>>> privacy. In such a case the private emails would not be open
>>> to a broad audience. I did not say she followed US rules.
>>>
>>> -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
>>> Von: Lewis Bergman <[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> Datum: 13.12.2015 21:40 (GMT+01:00)
>>> An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
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