That's fine to be a fan, I'm always looking forward too.
It's probably one of the personality traits you need in this
business.
But it doesn't make sense to bash an already available
product and an already installed system and then compare it
to a product that isn't available and won't be for a while.
-Sean
On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
And by the way, I’m a fan of some other stuff that isn’t
on the market yet. Gotta plan ahead.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 2:34 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Yea, I like to look ahead and be prepared for it which
is why I’m not interested in Ubiquiti Solar. My last
bet 3 years ago is about to pay off starting this month
which I hinted at last article. A bird in the hand
doesn’t always apply to technology but once it’s a
manufacturing problem instead of a development process,
then I get a little more interested. Peroksvite is a
manufacturing problem and the Chinese are cranking up
the manufacturing right now. My suggestion, don’t bet
against it. At minimum, it will also provide a boost
to existing solar technology
http://www.chemborun.com/p-Perovskite-Solar-Cells-245085/Hole-Transport-Materials-245087/
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:51 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I think Rory must own stock in perovskite lol. How else
can someone be such a fan boy of a nonexistent product.
On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Throw in the cost of the money and it goes up a little
more. The panels also aren’t going to be 100% at 20
years so there is a reduction of savings. But again,
the argument is that if Peroksvite has an ROI of 6
months or it has a higher efficiency level, then there
is additional savings. Then there is the chance that
battery costs come down in the next 4 years for
additional savings. In our case, the majority of our
electrical use is actually at night with the car
charging and solar doesn’t help us there.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:09 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Look at it this way, I invested $10K and some labor.
My 2015 savings is $2041. It would have been more but I
discovered this weekend that one of my inverters has
been offline for a while. Based on my data probably 3
months or so.
In any event, I have $2401 more in my pocket to spend
each year for the next 20 years guaranteed. They will
probably still be running strong in 40 years for my
grandchildren to use.
That is a 24% return on the investment.
Where else can you get that kind of return?
*From:*Rory Conaway
*Sent:*Monday, December 14, 2015 1:01 PM
*To:*[email protected]
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Even with your ROI Chuck, and mine would be higher, if
Peroksvite hits the market in 3 years, the ROI, still
makes it a better value. However, the average person is
still going to be at 7 years or more.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:58 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
stop making sense Chuck....it makes head blow up
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 <tel:915-861-1390>
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It more than cut my power bill in half.
*From:*Rory Conaway
*Sent:*Monday, December 14, 2015 12:09 PM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
It might have been reasonable until Perovskite was
announced. It will have an ROI in months.
For me, a grid-tie system doesn’t make sense with the
additional fees and the difference in wholesale/retail,
especially with an electric car that is only home at night.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:53 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonable, since
they should have quite a bit longer life span than
that... and you don't need any storage with a grid-tie
system.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The
average installation commercially or through any of the
solar companies is 7-11 years. Also, what are you doing
for storage?
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:43 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I love my solar panels and the payback is about 4 years.
*From:*Rory Conaway
*Sent:*Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the
eyesore (actually I think they look cool) is noise and
bird deaths. Never been a fan of them though.
Right now I’m against taxpayer subsidized solar for
three reasons, the ROI is ridiculous, and better/cheaper
technologies are right around the corner (100 times
cheaper and ROI’s of months, not years), and there is no
cost-effective storage medium that is going to last more
than a few years (Lithium batteries are expensive and
will fail within 3-8 years or at least be heavily
degraded). When Perovskite panels come out with sodium
batteries or one of several other technologies that
don’t start degrading after 18 months, I’m onboard.
As for people against technology that could better their
lives. I’m more worried about the ones that won’t teach
proven science for religious reasons. You can teach
science and morality without ignoring the science.
Tolerance of ignorance never a good thing.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 9:58 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up
and causing cancer type comments all came from two
people (who were not council members)... who happen to
share the same last name.
It sounds like the reason they voted to reject it was
because the residents didn't want it there... which is
kind of the town council should be doing, whether their
reasons for wanting it there are logical or not isn't
entirely relevant. Most of the objections appear to have
been that it would be an eyesore... on the other hand,
if the majority of the residents did want it to happen,
and the town council was just persuaded to turn it down
because of a couple of nutcases ranting, they should
(and probably will) be voted out in the next election.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jay Weekley
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I really didn't gather the full reason they banned the
solar farm from the article. True, two citizens that
made comments were nuts but you find that anywhere.
Patrick Leary wrote:
Even worse Rory, because then you have many people who
claim to know the meaning of these labels but they are
simply incorrect and are repeating sound bites, and/or
misapply them as a matter of course, even in
contradiction without a trace of irony.
…e.g., “Obama is a follower of Reverend Wright!!!,” but
is also a Kenyan born Muslim.
Go figure. It’s the death of critical thinking in this
country. It has spawned lots of ignorance. Did you know
an elected city zoning board in Woodland, NC just banned
a solar farm on the grounds that it would steal too much
of the sun’s energy, thus putting photosynthesis of
plants and crops at risk? Yeah, that just happened in
the U.S.A….in 2015.
http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/
Patrick
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:32 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I think that was misunderstood. My point was, regardless
of the candidates, is that the vast majority of voters
simply don’t know the facts, don’t care about the facts,
and are not prepared to provide a vote that is based on
research and education. I can ask 10 people what the
Trans Pacific Partnership was about and 10 of them won’t
have a clue. Show a picture of Biden to 10 people and
I’d be surprised if 8 of them recognize him and his
position in the government. Most of them don’t have any
idea of our country’s history, could tell you the
difference between Democracy, Socialism, and Communism,
or even know who fought in World Wars, the Civil War, or
even which side won. The fact is, even with all the
resources available to the public today, the average
voter is more ignorant today than in the past. The all
know the Kardashians but few of them could name off
their Senators or Congressman. This isn’t partisan, this
is the state of our country today. Picking out
supporters of any candidate for being ignorant is trite
when the entire electorate is clueless.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:19 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Not trying to offend anyone on list....I get kick out of
all mayhem on news...but if you do get offended....I can
only say. If the shoe fits...don't take it off.
On Dec 13, 2015 6:08 PM, "Bill Prince"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
It's actually a sign of great intelligence to
simultaneously hold two opposite opinions at the same time.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 12/13/2015 5:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I think calling people ignorant because they support
an opposing
candidate is over simplification and pretty ignorant
itself.
Trump is appealing to the base fears and anger for a
large number
of people who believe nobody else is addressing th
those concerns.
I had to laugh today. I saw some consultant
interviewing a bunch
Trump supporters. Some lady said she didn't like
Obama because he
was arrogant and thought to much of himself. I
thought, "wait a
second. You are a trump supporter?" Doesn't Trump
have nearly the
entire market cornered on that trait?
On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 6:50 PM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
And I like Mickey Mouse's voice much better
compared to Cruz
or Trumps...
On Dec 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
Lets fact check Rory....lol
On Dec 13, 2015 5:03 PM, "Rory Conaway"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
Really, and Hillary supporters don’t even acknowledge
she sold
influence in that State Department for billions and took
hundreds of millions for bogus speeches. All candidates have
followers that really don’t know what’s going on so singling
out Trump is bogus if you don’t add the voters
who thought
Obama was going to pay their mortgage (that was
a real
Einstein moment). With 90% of the people not even
knowing who
the vice-president is, you can always find
idiots who will
vote for Mickey Mouse if he said he was for some
hot political
topic.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:10 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
The scary thing Stefan is not Trump as much as his
followers...when they are interviewed it reminds how narrow
minded they are...they think professional
wrestling is real
among other things but I might offend some on
list...
On Dec 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
I said foreign view :-). We have very different laws and
thoughts on privacy. Our politicians are allowed to keep
more
privacy. In such a case the private emails would not be open
to a broad audience. I did not say she followed
US rules.
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Von: Lewis Bergman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
Datum: 13.12.2015 21:40 (GMT+01:00)
An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
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