That's fine to be a fan, I'm always looking forward too. It's
probably one of the personality traits you need in this business.
But it doesn't make sense to bash an already available product
and an already installed system and then compare it to a product
that isn't available and won't be for a while.
-Sean
On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
And by the way, I’m a fan of some other stuff that isn’t on
the market yet. Gotta plan ahead.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rory
Conaway
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 2:34 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Yea, I like to look ahead and be prepared for it which is why
I’m not interested in Ubiquiti Solar. My last bet 3 years
ago is about to pay off starting this month which I hinted at
last article. A bird in the hand doesn’t always apply to
technology but once it’s a manufacturing problem instead of a
development process, then I get a little more interested.
Peroksvite is a manufacturing problem and the Chinese are
cranking up the manufacturing right now. My suggestion,
don’t bet against it. At minimum, it will also provide a
boost to existing solar technology
http://www.chemborun.com/p-Perovskite-Solar-Cells-245085/Hole-Transport-Materials-245087/
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sean
Heskett
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:51 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I think Rory must own stock in perovskite lol. How else can
someone be such a fan boy of a nonexistent product.
On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Throw in the cost of the money and it goes up a little more.
The panels also aren’t going to be 100% at 20 years so there
is a reduction of savings. But again, the argument is that
if Peroksvite has an ROI of 6 months or it has a higher
efficiency level, then there is additional savings. Then
there is the chance that battery costs come down in the next
4 years for additional savings. In our case, the majority of
our electrical use is actually at night with the car charging
and solar doesn’t help us there.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:09 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Look at it this way, I invested $10K and some labor.
My 2015 savings is $2041. It would have been more but I
discovered this weekend that one of my inverters has been
offline for a while. Based on my data probably 3 months or so.
In any event, I have $2401 more in my pocket to spend each
year for the next 20 years guaranteed. They will probably
still be running strong in 40 years for my grandchildren to use.
That is a 24% return on the investment.
Where else can you get that kind of return?
*From:*Rory Conaway
*Sent:*Monday, December 14, 2015 1:01 PM
*To:*[email protected]
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Even with your ROI Chuck, and mine would be higher, if
Peroksvite hits the market in 3 years, the ROI, still makes
it a better value. However, the average person is still
going to be at 7 years or more.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime
Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:58 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
stop making sense Chuck....it makes head blow up
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 <tel:915-861-1390>
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It more than cut my power bill in half.
*From:*Rory Conaway
*Sent:*Monday, December 14, 2015 12:09 PM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
It might have been reasonable until Perovskite was
announced. It will have an ROI in months.
For me, a grid-tie system doesn’t make sense with the
additional fees and the difference in wholesale/retail,
especially with an electric car that is only home at night.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:53 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonable, since they
should have quite a bit longer life span than that... and you
don't need any storage with a grid-tie system.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average
installation commercially or through any of the solar
companies is 7-11 years. Also, what are you doing for storage?
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:43 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I love my solar panels and the payback is about 4 years.
*From:*Rory Conaway
*Sent:*Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15 AM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the eyesore
(actually I think they look cool) is noise and bird deaths.
Never been a fan of them though.
Right now I’m against taxpayer subsidized solar for three
reasons, the ROI is ridiculous, and better/cheaper
technologies are right around the corner (100 times cheaper
and ROI’s of months, not years), and there is no
cost-effective storage medium that is going to last more than
a few years (Lithium batteries are expensive and will fail
within 3-8 years or at least be heavily degraded). When
Perovskite panels come out with sodium batteries or one of
several other technologies that don’t start degrading after
18 months, I’m onboard.
As for people against technology that could better their
lives. I’m more worried about the ones that won’t teach
proven science for religious reasons. You can teach science
and morality without ignoring the science. Tolerance of
ignorance never a good thing.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
Howard
*Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 9:58 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and
causing cancer type comments all came from two people (who
were not council members)... who happen to share the same
last name.
It sounds like the reason they voted to reject it was because
the residents didn't want it there... which is kind of the
town council should be doing, whether their reasons for
wanting it there are logical or not isn't entirely relevant.
Most of the objections appear to have been that it would be
an eyesore... on the other hand, if the majority of the
residents did want it to happen, and the town council was
just persuaded to turn it down because of a couple of
nutcases ranting, they should (and probably will) be voted
out in the next election.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jay Weekley
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I really didn't gather the full reason they banned the solar
farm from the article. True, two citizens that made comments
were nuts but you find that anywhere.
Patrick Leary wrote:
Even worse Rory, because then you have many people who claim
to know the meaning of these labels but they are simply
incorrect and are repeating sound bites, and/or misapply them
as a matter of course, even in contradiction without a trace
of irony.
…e.g., “Obama is a follower of Reverend Wright!!!,” but is
also a Kenyan born Muslim.
Go figure. It’s the death of critical thinking in this
country. It has spawned lots of ignorance. Did you know an
elected city zoning board in Woodland, NC just banned a solar
farm on the grounds that it would steal too much of the sun’s
energy, thus putting photosynthesis of plants and crops at
risk? Yeah, that just happened in the U.S.A….in 2015.
http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/
Patrick
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:32 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
I think that was misunderstood. My point was, regardless of
the candidates, is that the vast majority of voters simply
don’t know the facts, don’t care about the facts, and are not
prepared to provide a vote that is based on research and
education. I can ask 10 people what the Trans Pacific
Partnership was about and 10 of them won’t have a clue. Show
a picture of Biden to 10 people and I’d be surprised if 8 of
them recognize him and his position in the government. Most
of them don’t have any idea of our country’s history, could
tell you the difference between Democracy, Socialism, and
Communism, or even know who fought in World Wars, the Civil
War, or even which side won. The fact is, even with all the
resources available to the public today, the average voter is
more ignorant today than in the past. The all know the
Kardashians but few of them could name off their Senators or
Congressman. This isn’t partisan, this is the state of our
country today. Picking out supporters of any candidate for
being ignorant is trite when the entire electorate is clueless.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:19 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
Not trying to offend anyone on list....I get kick out of all
mayhem on news...but if you do get offended....I can only
say. If the shoe fits...don't take it off.
On Dec 13, 2015 6:08 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
It's actually a sign of great intelligence to simultaneously
hold two opposite opinions at the same time.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 12/13/2015 5:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I think calling people ignorant because they support an
opposing
candidate is over simplification and pretty ignorant itself.
Trump is appealing to the base fears and anger for a
large number
of people who believe nobody else is addressing th those
concerns.
I had to laugh today. I saw some consultant interviewing
a bunch
Trump supporters. Some lady said she didn't like Obama
because he
was arrogant and thought to much of himself. I thought,
"wait a
second. You are a trump supporter?" Doesn't Trump have
nearly the
entire market cornered on that trait?
On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 6:50 PM Jaime Solorza
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
And I like Mickey Mouse's voice much better compared
to Cruz
or Trumps...
On Dec 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
Lets fact check Rory....lol
On Dec 13, 2015 5:03 PM, "Rory Conaway"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
Really, and Hillary supporters don’t even acknowledge she sold
influence in that State Department for billions and took
hundreds of millions for bogus speeches. All candidates have
followers that really don’t know what’s going on so singling
out Trump is bogus if you don’t add the voters who
thought
Obama was going to pay their mortgage (that was a real
Einstein moment). With 90% of the people not even knowing who
the vice-president is, you can always find idiots who
will
vote for Mickey Mouse if he said he was for some hot
political
topic.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>]
*On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:10 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
The scary thing Stefan is not Trump as much as his
followers...when they are interviewed it reminds how narrow
minded they are...they think professional wrestling
is real
among other things but I might offend some on list...
On Dec 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
I said foreign view :-). We have very different laws and
thoughts on privacy. Our politicians are allowed to keep more
privacy. In such a case the private emails would not be open
to a broad audience. I did not say she followed US rules.
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Von: Lewis Bergman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>
Datum: 13.12.2015 21:40 (GMT+01:00)
An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
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