No biggie. Tecate cures all...
On Dec 15, 2015 7:52 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry Jaime. It was a setup. I just saw the ball on the tee, and took a
> whack at it.
>
> ;-)
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 12/15/2015 6:49 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Ha...low blow.. I rather be called a poo piece of shit than Donald Trump.
> ..beer assistant
> On Dec 15, 2015 6:50 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You and the Donald.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/2015 3:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> I am great now...I tell myself that... lol
>> On Dec 15, 2015 4:12 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> But this thing will be great! Someday...
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/15/2015 9:57 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> That's fine to be a fan, I'm always looking forward too. It's probably
>>> one of the personality traits you need in this business.
>>>
>>> But it doesn't make sense to bash an already available product and an
>>> already installed system and then compare it to a product that isn't
>>> available and won't be for a while.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And by the way, I’m a fan of some other stuff that isn’t on the market
>>>> yet. Gotta plan ahead.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 2:34 PM
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yea, I like to look ahead and be prepared for it which is why I’m not
>>>> interested in Ubiquiti Solar. My last bet 3 years ago is about to pay off
>>>> starting this month which I hinted at last article. A bird in the hand
>>>> doesn’t always apply to technology but once it’s a manufacturing problem
>>>> instead of a development process, then I get a little more interested.
>>>> Peroksvite is a manufacturing problem and the Chinese are cranking up the
>>>> manufacturing right now. My suggestion, don’t bet against it. At
>>>> minimum, it will also provide a boost to existing solar technology
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.chemborun.com/p-Perovskite-Solar-Cells-245085/Hole-Transport-Materials-245087/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:51 PM
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think Rory must own stock in perovskite lol. How else can someone
>>>> be such a fan boy of a nonexistent product.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Throw in the cost of the money and it goes up a little more. The
>>>> panels also aren’t going to be 100% at 20 years so there is a reduction of
>>>> savings. But again, the argument is that if Peroksvite has an ROI of 6
>>>> months or it has a higher efficiency level, then there is additional
>>>> savings. Then there is the chance that battery costs come down in the next
>>>> 4 years for additional savings. In our case, the majority of our
>>>> electrical use is actually at night with the car charging and solar doesn’t
>>>> help us there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:09 PM
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Look at it this way, I invested $10K and some labor.
>>>>
>>>> My 2015 savings is $2041. It would have been more but I discovered
>>>> this weekend that one of my inverters has been offline for a while. Based
>>>> on my data probably 3 months or so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In any event, I have $2401 more in my pocket to spend each year for the
>>>> next 20 years guaranteed. They will probably still be running strong in 40
>>>> years for my grandchildren to use.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is a 24% return on the investment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where else can you get that kind of return?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 1:01 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even with your ROI Chuck, and mine would be higher, if Peroksvite hits
>>>> the market in 3 years, the ROI, still makes it a better value. However,
>>>> the average person is still going to be at 7 years or more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:58 PM
>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> stop making sense Chuck....it makes head blow up
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>
>>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>>>
>>>> 915-861-1390
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It more than cut my power bill in half.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:09 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It might have been reasonable until Perovskite was announced. It will
>>>> have an ROI in months.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For me, a grid-tie system doesn’t make sense with the additional fees
>>>> and the difference in wholesale/retail, especially with an electric car
>>>> that is only home at night.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:53 AM
>>>> *To:* af
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonable, since they should
>>>> have quite a bit longer life span than that... and you don't need any
>>>> storage with a grid-tie system.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average
>>>> installation commercially or through any of the solar companies is 7-11
>>>> years. Also, what are you doing for storage?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:43 AM
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I love my solar panels and the payback is about 4 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the eyesore (actually
>>>> I think they look cool) is noise and bird deaths. Never been a fan of them
>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right now I’m against taxpayer subsidized solar for three reasons, the
>>>> ROI is ridiculous, and better/cheaper technologies are right around the
>>>> corner (100 times cheaper and ROI’s of months, not years), and there is no
>>>> cost-effective storage medium that is going to last more than a few years
>>>> (Lithium batteries are expensive and will fail within 3-8 years or at least
>>>> be heavily degraded). When Perovskite panels come out with sodium
>>>> batteries or one of several other technologies that don’t start degrading
>>>> after 18 months, I’m onboard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As for people against technology that could better their lives. I’m
>>>> more worried about the ones that won’t teach proven science for religious
>>>> reasons. You can teach science and morality without ignoring the science.
>>>> Tolerance of ignorance never a good thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>
>>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 9:58 AM
>>>> *To:* af
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and causing
>>>> cancer type comments all came from two people (who were not council
>>>> members)... who happen to share the same last name.
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like the reason they voted to reject it was because the
>>>> residents didn't want it there... which is kind of the town council should
>>>> be doing, whether their reasons for wanting it there are logical or not
>>>> isn't entirely relevant. Most of the objections appear to have been that it
>>>> would be an eyesore... on the other hand, if the majority of the residents
>>>> did want it to happen, and the town council was just persuaded to turn it
>>>> down because of a couple of nutcases ranting, they should (and probably
>>>> will) be voted out in the next election.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jay Weekley <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I really didn't gather the full reason they banned the solar farm from
>>>> the article. True, two citizens that made comments were nuts but you find
>>>> that anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Patrick Leary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even worse Rory, because then you have many people who claim to know
>>>> the meaning of these labels but they are simply incorrect and are repeating
>>>> sound bites, and/or misapply them as a matter of course, even in
>>>> contradiction without a trace of irony.
>>>>
>>>> …e.g., “Obama is a follower of Reverend Wright!!!,” but is also a
>>>> Kenyan born Muslim.
>>>>
>>>> Go figure. It’s the death of critical thinking in this country. It has
>>>> spawned lots of ignorance. Did you know an elected city zoning board in
>>>> Woodland, NC just banned a solar farm on the grounds that it would steal
>>>> too much of the sun’s energy, thus putting photosynthesis of plants and
>>>> crops at risk? Yeah, that just happened in the U.S.A….in 2015.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/
>>>>
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:32 PM
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>> I think that was misunderstood. My point was, regardless of the
>>>> candidates, is that the vast majority of voters simply don’t know the
>>>> facts, don’t care about the facts, and are not prepared to provide a vote
>>>> that is based on research and education. I can ask 10 people what the
>>>> Trans Pacific Partnership was about and 10 of them won’t have a clue. Show
>>>> a picture of Biden to 10 people and I’d be surprised if 8 of them recognize
>>>> him and his position in the government. Most of them don’t have any idea of
>>>> our country’s history, could tell you the difference between Democracy,
>>>> Socialism, and Communism, or even know who fought in World Wars, the Civil
>>>> War, or even which side won. The fact is, even with all the resources
>>>> available to the public today, the average voter is more ignorant today
>>>> than in the past. The all know the Kardashians but few of them could name
>>>> off their Senators or Congressman. This isn’t partisan, this is the state
>>>> of our country today. Picking out supporters of any candidate for being
>>>> ignorant is trite when the entire electorate is clueless.
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:19 PM
>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>> Not trying to offend anyone on list....I get kick out of all mayhem on
>>>> news...but if you do get offended....I can only say. If the shoe
>>>> fits...don't take it off.
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 13, 2015 6:08 PM, "Bill Prince" <[email protected] <mailto:
>>>> [email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's actually a sign of great intelligence to simultaneously hold two
>>>> opposite opinions at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/13/2015 5:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think calling people ignorant because they support an opposing
>>>> candidate is over simplification and pretty ignorant itself.
>>>> Trump is appealing to the base fears and anger for a large number
>>>> of people who believe nobody else is addressing th those concerns.
>>>> I had to laugh today. I saw some consultant interviewing a bunch
>>>> Trump supporters. Some lady said she didn't like Obama because he
>>>> was arrogant and thought to much of himself. I thought, "wait a
>>>> second. You are a trump supporter?" Doesn't Trump have nearly the
>>>> entire market cornered on that trait?
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 6:50 PM Jaime Solorza
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And I like Mickey Mouse's voice much better compared to Cruz
>>>> or Trumps...
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Lets fact check Rory....lol
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 13, 2015 5:03 PM, "Rory Conaway"
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Really, and Hillary supporters don’t even acknowledge she sold
>>>> influence in that State Department for billions and took
>>>> hundreds of millions for bogus speeches. All candidates have
>>>> followers that really don’t know what’s going on so singling
>>>> out Trump is bogus if you don’t add the voters who thought
>>>> Obama was going to pay their mortgage (that was a real
>>>> Einstein moment). With 90% of the people not even knowing who
>>>> the vice-president is, you can always find idiots who will
>>>> vote for Mickey Mouse if he said he was for some hot political
>>>> topic.
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:10 PM
>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies
>>>>
>>>> The scary thing Stefan is not Trump as much as his
>>>> followers...when they are interviewed it reminds how narrow
>>>> minded they are...they think professional wrestling is real
>>>> among other things but I might offend some on list...
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" <[email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I said foreign view :-). We have very different laws and
>>>> thoughts on privacy. Our politicians are allowed to keep more
>>>> privacy. In such a case the private emails would not be open
>>>> to a broad audience. I
>>>>
>>> ...
