I understand your premise but Penicillin was discovered, not invented. It would likely be just as difficult for Christopher Columbus to patent America. The process to mass produce it is patented. But I do get your point. This idiot is only 35 or something. He will likely eventually get a heart and a mind just like Carnegie did.
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:55 AM Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@telrad.com> wrote: > The discovery of penicillin literally changed life for all of humanity. > Imagine if Shkreli had invented it. Divorcing ethics from capitalism is a > fool’s fairytale. Anyone who justifies it has never read about the history > of the legal invention of “corporation.” > > > > - Patrick > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2015 11:40 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli) > > > > You mean to tell me 200 years ago there wasn't any medicine? Sure it's > far superior now, but in the 1800s they had basics. > > > > > Josh Luthman > > > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I have to disagree. 200 years ago there were practically no medicines > worth talking about yet here we all are. Medicine, while a fantastic > advancement, does not rise to the level of air, water, food, and shelter. > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:17 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > > Food, water, shelter, medicine. The things anyone and everyone need to > survive. > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Cameron Crum <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: > > Since when has it been a basic human right? Where does it stop? Why are > others forced to pay for peoples bad habits? Other than congenital defects, > and some accidents, most health problems are due to peoples choices. If our > money is to be confiscated to pay for everyone's "human right", don't we > get a say in how they live? How many other human rights are being trampled > on then? > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > > Should medicine really be part of a system of supply and demand? I'd > agree on the whole hotel thing - you don't have to stay there - but when > you have some medical condition (and while yes AIDS is something you can > certainly avoid) I think as a society and a culture we shouldn't deny a > basic human right. > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains that pure capitalism is > the best way demonstrated to date to innovate and health care or pharma is > not exempt. Big rewards encourage big effort yielding big results. These > pharma companies have something like 7 years until the exclusivity period > expires. That can be a pretty short time to recover investments. This > particular case may be a bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken > in America is simply ludicrous. > > > > I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas Tech on a Friday. > Thursday night at the hotel was $159 and Friday was $269. I don't think > that is price gouging. I think it is a reflection of the simple fact that > there are fewer rooms available on that particular night than are demanded > at $159. The equilibrium was found at $259 where supply and demand come > closer to being equal. At that price I still witnessed people turned away > wanting a room due to their poor planning. I don't think that is price > gouging. Their hotel was full at $269 a night. The next day was $159 again. > Since the hotel was full they probably could have been even higher. > > > > I really don't understand what people have such a huge issue with the > fundamental theory of supply and demand. Yes I understand that it is a > potentially life saving drug. There are other cheaper treatments. Maybe > they aren't as good, which is why they are cheaper. When did we stop > rewarding people for the value they provide? I know this jerk didn't invent > it but he obviously was willing to reward those who did with a price they > thought fair. Sales over the next few years will prove if he made a mistake. > > > > Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made for 5% over cost? Heck, > why not only cover his cost? Why not less than cost and force him to > provide his great product for the good of the people? There is a reason it > is named Animal Farm. How many have read this book? While not about > capitalism it does speak to the kind of central control that skulks below > the overt argument for "controlling" this type of behavior. > > > > I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky hat and say "so > what?". People die every day for less meaning and in greater numbers. There > is practically a mass suicide movement going on now with texting and > driving. I don't see where people value there lives or others that much > anyway when reading a text or email is more important than life itself. > > I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me the loose framework > of a "fair market", whatever that is, and let the system fight it out. The > word isn't fair, not ever going to be fair, stop trying to warp it to be > that way. > > > > Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanuka, > or whatever else gets your boat floating. > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary <patrick.le...@telrad.com> > wrote: > > The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be arrested and charged if he > doubles the price of gas, water, or other life-critical goods after a > natural disaster – that’s a crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s completely > legal for a company to raise a life-critical drug by over 5000% -- that’s > capitalism in America. > > > > Shkreli is only the most written about example. This “business trend’ is > all the rage and has been widely employed in the U.S. for a number of years > now. > http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/ > > > > Patrick > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli > > > > Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested today. Everybody knows > him as the guy who raises drug prices 5000%, but I did not know he live > streams almost daily to his fans. > > > > Watch the first video, isn't he just like every annoying, entitled, > slacker kid living in his parents basement that we have to deal with > bitching about his Internet? Except he is CEO of a drug company. > > > > I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but watch the video. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > > > > > > ************************************************************************************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses. > > ************************************************************************************ > >
