Huawei has more headcount than Cisco does staff. They are selling routing, switching, gpon, and LTE products like hotcakes. On Mar 20, 2016 2:31 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote:
> That’s pretty old news though. Huawei is so big now, probably other > companies are ripping off their stuff. And with communications gear based > mostly on open standards, open source software, the same chipsets, it comes > down to packaging, manufacturing, sales and service. And the manufacturing > is all the same too. Or like Faisal points out, sometimes everything is > the same except the label and the price. > > I remember when I was a kid everyone saying Japanese radios, cameras and > cars were low quality copies of American (or German) stuff. And that the > most famous Russian inventor was named “REGUSPATOFF”. > > > *From:* Jason McKemie <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:10 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping > other companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other > companies do that). > > On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Oh grow up, get a grip..... >> >> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch.... all over the world. >> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and >> European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally >> unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc >> ?) >> >> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing >> business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well... >> >> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / >> Alcatel / Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into >> their products for the US/EU governments ? >> >> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny >> piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ? >> >> Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like.... it's >> totally your choice.... >> >> But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of >> which one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't >> kiss in the morning ! >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >> *To: *javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]'); >> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of the >> presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some way”. >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Reynolds >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM >> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]'); >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's >> internet snooping and repression, right? >> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >> >>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. >>> >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 >>> >>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran >>> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a >>> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company >>> that is clearly Huawei. >>> >>> >>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM >>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]'); >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>> >>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>> *To: *javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]'); >>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>> >>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has >>> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? >>> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% >>> in line with things the government as a whole says or does? >>> >>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was >>> bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco >>> which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years >>> and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? >>> >>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything >>> "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and >>> NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control. >>> >>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid >>> shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA >>> was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put >>> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - >>> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the >>> process? >>> >>> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't >>> done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are >>> insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag >>> while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own government >>> and its employees. >>> >>> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. >>> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>> >>>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one >>>> of the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. >>>> This person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a >>>> result. >>>> >>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway < >>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. >>>>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rory >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM >>>>> *To:* af >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... you >>>>> can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more >>>>> costly parts of doing LTE. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about >>>>> though. First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't a >>>>> ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, >>>>> I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the >>>>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >>
