I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't like that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence most massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon getting money back every year. On Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to > eliminate competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another > company's product all the way down to the software bugs. > > On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > >> They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore. >> >> I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they >> can get away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money. >> >> No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good >> product just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force >> their staff to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc). >> On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping >>> other companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other >>> companies do that). >>> >>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Oh grow up, get a grip..... >>>> >>>> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch.... all over the world. >>>> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and >>>> European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally >>>> unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc >>>> ?) >>>> >>>> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing >>>> business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well... >>>> >>>> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / >>>> Alcatel / Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into >>>> their products for the US/EU governments ? >>>> >>>> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny >>>> piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ? >>>> >>>> Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like.... >>>> it's totally your choice.... >>>> >>>> But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of >>>> which one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't >>>> kiss in the morning ! >>>> >>>> >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>> >>>> They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of >>>> the presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some >>>> way”. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>> >>>> >>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's >>>> internet snooping and repression, right? >>>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 >>>>> >>>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against >>>>> Iran and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But >>>>> it’s a little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed >>>>> company that is clearly Huawei. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>> >>>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is >>>>> indisputable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>> >>>>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China >>>>> has by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal >>>>> workforce? Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and >>>>> beliefs fall 100% in line with things the government as a whole says or >>>>> does? >>>>> >>>>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was >>>>> bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for >>>>> Cisco >>>>> which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years >>>>> and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? >>>>> >>>>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything >>>>> "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and >>>>> NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control. >>>>> >>>>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products >>>>> mid shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the >>>>> NSA was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put >>>>> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - >>>>> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the >>>>> process? >>>>> >>>>> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't >>>>> done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are >>>>> insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of >>>>> scumbag >>>>> while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own government >>>>> and its employees. >>>>> >>>>> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. >>>>> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having >>>>>> one of the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the >>>>>> obvious. This person could have had issues with the company as well, and >>>>>> left as a result. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. >>>>>>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew >>>>>>> Howard >>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM >>>>>>> *To:* af >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... >>>>>>> you can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> more costly parts of doing LTE. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about >>>>>>> though. First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it >>>>>>> isn't a >>>>>>> ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, >>>>>>> I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>
