It's a slippery noodle only if they plead ignorance, which the Chinese government does, which is the issue. The world as a whole needs to have it's collective head examined for handing this country the keys to manufacturing all our stuff.
On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah, except when it came to Copyrights and patent protection, the > question becomes whose law is it ? > US law ? Chinese Law ? or International Law ? > > e.g. There are countries which don't recognize Copyright Laws, and for > good reasons... so copying stuff has different meaning... > > This is a very slippery noodle to catch. > > Not saying who is right or wrong, just pointing out the slippery slopes ! > > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Jason McKemie" <[email protected] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> > *To: *[email protected] <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> > *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:01:57 PM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > I suppose I can agree with you guys on some of these points. I'm not > talking about just stealing the software, but the hardware that goes along > with it as well. US companies could not get away with such a blatant > ripoff. Many big foreign and domestic companies steal IP from other > companies. The big issue for me is how cavalier Huawei has been about it, > and no one on any level over there did anything about it. It's like someone > stealing from you then waving the loot in front of your face in public, and > the authorities doing nothing about it because they're tied in. > It's a different level IMO. > > Plus, I'd rather buy from a US thief than a foreign one - given those are > the only two choices. > > On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree with Josh. >> >> I don't believe that there is any Global Tech company who has not >> compromised ethics at one point in time or another.... >> >> Ethics, Morality, Business and Politics are all shifting sands ... >> nothing stays still.... >> >> All I am trying to say is, everyone is entitled to their opinions as to >> who they do business with and who they don't... If ethics and morality was >> measure, and one was being honest and un-biased, then one would find doing >> business with any of the big folks to be a problem ! >> >> Yes, Hauwie stole code from Cisco, and Cisco stole shit from someone else >> ... >> http://www.ipnav.com/blog/jury-says-cisco-stole-technology-must-pay-70m/..... >> .what is new ? >> >> This is not my fight, my issue is very simple.. if you are going to call >> someone dirty than call the others who are dirty too... it is not like the >> other guys are saints and angles ! >> >> :) >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >> *To: *[email protected] >> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:37:55 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't >> like that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence >> most massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon >> getting money back every year. >> On Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie" < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to >>> eliminate competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another >>> company's product all the way down to the software bugs. >>> >>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore. >>>> >>>> I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what >>>> they can get away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money. >>>> >>>> No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good >>>> product just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force >>>> their staff to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc). >>>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright >>>>> ripping other companies' products off - not so much software backdoors >>>>> (many other companies do that). >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Oh grow up, get a grip..... >>>>>> >>>>>> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch.... all over the world. >>>>>> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and >>>>>> European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally >>>>>> unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco >>>>>> etc >>>>>> ?) >>>>>> >>>>>> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from >>>>>> doing business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well... >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / >>>>>> Alcatel / Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into >>>>>> their products for the US/EU governments ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny >>>>>> piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like.... >>>>>> it's totally your choice.... >>>>>> >>>>>> But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of >>>>>> which one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't >>>>>> kiss in the morning ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>> >>>>>> They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of >>>>>> the presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some >>>>>> way”. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds >>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's >>>>>> internet snooping and repression, right? >>>>>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against >>>>>>> Iran and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But >>>>>>> it’s a little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed >>>>>>> company that is clearly Huawei. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is >>>>>>> indisputable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China >>>>>>> has by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal >>>>>>> workforce? Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and >>>>>>> beliefs fall 100% in line with things the government as a whole says or >>>>>>> does? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was >>>>>>> bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for >>>>>>> Cisco >>>>>>> which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years >>>>>>> and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything >>>>>>> "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and >>>>>>> NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products >>>>>>> mid shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the >>>>>>> NSA was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put >>>>>>> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and >>>>>>> Juniper - >>>>>>> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the >>>>>>> process? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they >>>>>>> haven't done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of >>>>>>> scumbag >>>>>>> while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own >>>>>>> government >>>>>>> and its employees. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. >>>>>>> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having >>>>>>>> one of the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the >>>>>>>> obvious. This person could have had issues with the company as well, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> left as a result. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as >>>>>>>>> that. Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew >>>>>>>>> Howard >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* af >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... >>>>>>>>> you can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> more costly parts of doing LTE. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about >>>>>>>>> though. First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it >>>>>>>>> isn't a >>>>>>>>> ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. >>>>>>>>> Also, >>>>>>>>> I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't >>>>>>>>> researched the >>>>>>>>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> >
