Yeah, except when it came to Copyrights and patent protection, the question becomes whose law is it ? US law ? Chinese Law ? or International Law ?
e.g. There are countries which don't recognize Copyright Laws, and for good reasons... so copying stuff has different meaning... This is a very slippery noodle to catch. Not saying who is right or wrong, just pointing out the slippery slopes ! Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > From: "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:01:57 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > I suppose I can agree with you guys on some of these points. I'm not talking > about just stealing the software, but the hardware that goes along with it as > well. US companies could not get away with such a blatant ripoff. Many big > foreign and domestic companies steal IP from other companies. The big issue > for > me is how cavalier Huawei has been about it, and no one on any level over > there > did anything about it. It's like someone stealing from you then waving the > loot > in front of your face in public, and the authorities doing nothing about it > because they're tied in. > It's a different level IMO. > Plus, I'd rather buy from a US thief than a foreign one - given those are the > only two choices. > On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz < [email protected] > wrote: >> I agree with Josh. >> I don't believe that there is any Global Tech company who has not compromised >> ethics at one point in time or another.... >> Ethics, Morality, Business and Politics are all shifting sands ... nothing >> stays >> still.... >> All I am trying to say is, everyone is entitled to their opinions as to who >> they >> do business with and who they don't... If ethics and morality was measure, >> and >> one was being honest and un-biased, then one would find doing business with >> any >> of the big folks to be a problem ! >> Yes, Hauwie stole code from Cisco, and Cisco stole shit from someone else ... >> http://www.ipnav.com/blog/jury-says-cisco-stole-technology-must-pay-70m/... >> .. >> .what is new ? >> This is not my fight, my issue is very simple.. if you are going to call >> someone >> dirty than call the others who are dirty too... it is not like the other guys >> are saints and angles ! >> :) >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < [email protected] > >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:37:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>> I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't >>> like >>> that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence most >>> massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon getting >>> money back every year. >>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie" < [email protected] >>> > >>> wrote: >>>> Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to >>>> eliminate >>>> competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another company's >>>> product all the way down to the software bugs. >>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>> They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore. >>>>> I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they >>>>> can get >>>>> away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money. >>>>> No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good >>>>> product >>>>> just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force their >>>>> staff >>>>> to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc). >>>>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" < >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping >>>>>> other >>>>>> companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other >>>>>> companies >>>>>> do that). >>>>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz < [email protected] > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Oh grow up, get a grip..... >>>>>>> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch.... all over the world. >>>>>>> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and >>>>>>> European >>>>>>> Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally >>>>>>> unchecked... (Why >>>>>>> does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc ?) >>>>>>> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing >>>>>>> business >>>>>>> with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well... >>>>>>> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / >>>>>>> Alcatel / >>>>>>> Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into their >>>>>>> products for >>>>>>> the US/EU governments ? >>>>>>> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny >>>>>>> piss-any >>>>>>> network, when any gov. can already do so ? >>>>>>> Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like.... >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>> totally your choice.... >>>>>>> But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't kiss >>>>>>> in the >>>>>>> morning ! >>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>>> From: "Ken Hohhof" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>>> They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some >>>>>>>> way”. >>>>>>>> From: Josh Reynolds >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20 , 2016 1:00 PM >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's >>>>>>>> internet >>>>>>>> snooping and repression, right? >>>>>>>> On Mar 20 , 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. >>>>>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 >>>>>>>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against >>>>>>>>> Iran and not >>>>>>>>> use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a >>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>> humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> clearly Huawei. >>>>>>>>> From: Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20 , 2016 11:44 AM >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is >>>>>>>>> indisputable. >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19 , 2016 6:44:02 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>>>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China >>>>>>>>> has by any >>>>>>>>> chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? >>>>>>>>> Do those >>>>>>>>> members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in >>>>>>>>> line with >>>>>>>>> things the government as a whole says or does? >>>>>>>>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was >>>>>>>>> bullshit put >>>>>>>>> for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which >>>>>>>>> was later >>>>>>>>> RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then >>>>>>>>> used in >>>>>>>>> FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? >>>>>>>>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything >>>>>>>>> "bad" in >>>>>>>>> your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. >>>>>>>>> They have >>>>>>>>> an incredible amount of data and control. >>>>>>>>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products >>>>>>>>> mid shipment >>>>>>>>> and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was >>>>>>>>> caught >>>>>>>>> weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in >>>>>>>>> equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting >>>>>>>>> our own >>>>>>>>> countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process? >>>>>>>>> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't >>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>> shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are >>>>>>>>> insinuating that >>>>>>>>> every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while >>>>>>>>> simultaneously >>>>>>>>> holding up a different mirror to our own government and its employees. >>>>>>>>> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. >>>>>>>>> On Mar 19 , 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" < >>>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having >>>>>>>>>> one of the >>>>>>>>>> lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. >>>>>>>>>> This person >>>>>>>>>> could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result. >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, March 19 , 2016, Rory Conaway < [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. >>>>>>>>>>> Huawei is >>>>>>>>>>> both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. >>>>>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto: [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19 , 2016 4:03 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: af >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>>>>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... >>>>>>>>>>> you can most >>>>>>>>>>> likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more >>>>>>>>>>> costly parts >>>>>>>>>>> of doing LTE. >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19 , 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about >>>>>>>>>>> though. First of >>>>>>>>>>> all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't a ton of >>>>>>>>>>> money, just >>>>>>>>>>> seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, I'm a little >>>>>>>>>>> wary of the >>>>>>>>>>> Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific "fellow" >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> they're talking about. >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18 , 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett < [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 >>>>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP
