This. There's a lot of finger pointing going on towards any non-us entity, when the reality is that the US ones are just as bad if not worse. It's to the point where companies outside of the US are making the call to not buy US companies equipment and services anymore due to corporate antics and US policies.
We need to start pointing the finger inwards and voicing our opinions on these matters on every outlet we can - voting with dollar bills works too (both in purchasing decisions and political campaign contributions). On Mar 20, 2016 3:00 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree with Josh. > > I don't believe that there is any Global Tech company who has not > compromised ethics at one point in time or another.... > > Ethics, Morality, Business and Politics are all shifting sands ... nothing > stays still.... > > All I am trying to say is, everyone is entitled to their opinions as to > who they do business with and who they don't... If ethics and morality was > measure, and one was being honest and un-biased, then one would find doing > business with any of the big folks to be a problem ! > > Yes, Hauwie stole code from Cisco, and Cisco stole shit from someone else > ... > http://www.ipnav.com/blog/jury-says-cisco-stole-technology-must-pay-70m/..... > .what is new ? > > This is not my fight, my issue is very simple.. if you are going to call > someone dirty than call the others who are dirty too... it is not like the > other guys are saints and angles ! > > :) > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:37:55 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview > > I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't > like that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence > most massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon > getting money back every year. > On Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to >> eliminate competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another >> company's product all the way down to the software bugs. >> >> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore. >>> >>> I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they >>> can get away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money. >>> >>> No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good >>> product just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force >>> their staff to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc). >>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright >>>> ripping other companies' products off - not so much software backdoors >>>> (many other companies do that). >>>> >>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh grow up, get a grip..... >>>>> >>>>> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch.... all over the world. >>>>> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and >>>>> European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally >>>>> unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc >>>>> ?) >>>>> >>>>> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing >>>>> business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well... >>>>> >>>>> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / >>>>> Alcatel / Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into >>>>> their products for the US/EU governments ? >>>>> >>>>> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny >>>>> piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ? >>>>> >>>>> Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like.... >>>>> it's totally your choice.... >>>>> >>>>> But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of >>>>> which one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't >>>>> kiss in the morning ! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> >>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>> >>>>> They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of >>>>> the presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some >>>>> way”. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's >>>>> internet snooping and repression, right? >>>>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 >>>>>> >>>>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against >>>>>> Iran and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But >>>>>> it’s a little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed >>>>>> company that is clearly Huawei. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>> >>>>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is >>>>>> indisputable. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>> >>>>>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China >>>>>> has by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal >>>>>> workforce? Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and >>>>>> beliefs fall 100% in line with things the government as a whole says or >>>>>> does? >>>>>> >>>>>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was >>>>>> bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for >>>>>> Cisco >>>>>> which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years >>>>>> and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything >>>>>> "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and >>>>>> NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products >>>>>> mid shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the >>>>>> NSA was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put >>>>>> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper >>>>>> - >>>>>> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the >>>>>> process? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't >>>>>> done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are >>>>>> insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of >>>>>> scumbag >>>>>> while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own government >>>>>> and its employees. >>>>>> >>>>>> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. >>>>>> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having >>>>>>> one of the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the >>>>>>> obvious. This person could have had issues with the company as well, and >>>>>>> left as a result. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as >>>>>>>> that. Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mathew >>>>>>>> Howard >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* af >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... >>>>>>>> you can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> more costly parts of doing LTE. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about >>>>>>>> though. First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it >>>>>>>> isn't a >>>>>>>> ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. >>>>>>>> Also, >>>>>>>> I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >
