This is so fucking stupid. If people are that paranoid that they might have even a passing association with Haiwei, you're probably not interested in their products regardless of their answer because "they could be lying" :)
It also could be they might want to use the Huawei name even in the case of a very remote connection just because *that's the gear the majority of the world seems to be buying at this point*, even if the only connection is "one of the founders used to work there". http://www.wired.com/2008/05/leaked-cisco-do/ "Cisco Leak: ‘Great Firewall’ of China Was a Chance to Sell More Routers" http://www.cnet.com/news/lawsuit-accuses-cisco-of-aiding-chinese-repression/ Lawsuit accuses Cisco of aiding Chinese repression "Suit alleges Cisco designed and supplied a surveillance system to track and sensor the activities of the Falun Gong spiritual movement." http://laogai.org/commentaries/cisco-and-machinery-chinese-repression CISCO AND THE MACHINERY OF CHINESE REPRESSION " Contrary to Cisco’s claim that they “strongly support free expression and open communication on the Internet,” the networking giant helped design and aggressively marketed arguably the most oppressive censorship tool in existence. More than just restricting access to information, technology Cisco created for the Chinese government has been used to track dissidents who were later tortured and imprisoned by authorities." http://www.networkworld.com/article/2164353/data-center/cisco-accused-of-data-theft.html Cisco accused of data theft RELATED Cisco reported to enforcement agencies by Multiven for alleged 'theft' of data | Legal battle between Cisco and Multiven flares up with EU antitrust complaint "Cisco is accused of stealing thousands of proprietary and copyrighted data files from third-party services nemesis Multiven, which filed a complaint against the company with law enforcement authorities in the U.S. and Switzerland." On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jason McKemie <[email protected]> wrote: > Being suspicious of a company because they have a possible association with > a known thief is very different from blind suspicion based on religion. > > > On Monday, March 21, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat... >> >> The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.....Mimosa now has >> a team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm >> Moselems are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America. >> >> >> Stay fearful my friend. >> >> :) >> >> Regards >> >> Faisal >> >> Sent from Mobile Device >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Rory Conaway >> Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00) >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I >> think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, >> either hardware or software. Besides the fact that they entire company is >> based on stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is >> whether or not they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell. Only >> Patrick Leary can answer that. I suggest he step in to clarify this. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> Gotta love these conversations... >> >> >> >> What was the original topic ? >> >> >> >> Ahhh... Baicells.... a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance >> in the WISP Market Space.... who is just starting to establish themselves >> in the US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in >> the Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being >> put together..... >> >> >> >> To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese >> Company would be a mistake.... I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and >> the fact that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make >> some $$, but one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating >> in the LTE Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me... >> >> >> >> I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP >> futures ahead !.... Time to grow up into serious operators ! >> >> >> >> >> >> :) >> >> >> >> Best of Luck Everyone ! >> >> >> >> >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> 7266 SW 48 Street >> Miami, FL 33155 >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed. >> >> On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router. >> >> >> >> From: Josh Reynolds >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> Define module? >> >> On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if Cisco >> had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for >> the used gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance >> contract just so you can upgrade the SW. >> >> >> >> What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are >> probably counterfeit. Even if they are made from the same parts in the same >> factory. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Bruce Robertson >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> I *never* *ever* did that........................... >> >> On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and >> registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more >> expensive routers we deployed.... hmmm???? >> >> >> >> From: Eric Kuhnke >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of >> telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling >> telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran: >> >> 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way >> to buy it from Dubai. >> >> 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear >> into Iran? There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up >> with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how >> to run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN >> traffic through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered >> media. The US government has a whole Farsi language division funded from the >> Voice of America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to >> reach Iranians. There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, >> Whatsapp, Skype, etc. More communication with the outside world is good. >> >> http://www.radiofarda.com/ >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet >> snooping and repression, right? >> >> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions. >> >> >> >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0 >> >> >> >> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran >> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a >> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that >> is clearly Huawei. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Mike Hammett >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has >> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? >> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% >> in line with things the government as a whole says or does? >> >> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit >> put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which was >> later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used >> in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? >> >> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad" >> in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They >> have an incredible amount of data and control. >> >> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid >> shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was >> caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors >> in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our >> own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process? >> >> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done >> shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating >> that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while >> simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own government and its >> employees. >> >> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. >> >> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of >> the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This >> person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result. >> >> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. >> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard >> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM >> To: af >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview >> >> >> >> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC.... you can >> most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more >> costly parts of doing LTE. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though. >> First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't a ton of >> money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, I'm a >> little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the >> specific "fellow" that they're talking about. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> !DSPAM:2,56ef137a138861700012119! >> >> >> >>
